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<blockquote data-quote="ExploringSikhi" data-source="post: 189282" data-attributes="member: 19734"><p>It would be too much of an eye-sore to quote everyone who responded, so I will just send out a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who responded right here, I cannot express how appreciative I am of you guys putting in the effort to respond so eloquently.</p><p> </p><p>I have been conversing with a fellow non-Sikh about Sikhi for a few days now. I told him a bit about the philosophy of Guru Nanak, like not believing in miracles and whatnot, as well as some other things (what Guru Granth Sahib Ji actually means when it talks about heaven/hell/reincarnation etc...). He also asked me why Guru Nanak Ji was considered a Guru, and I told him the same things Sikhs told me when I had asked, that he went missing for 3 days, had spoken (literally) to Waheguru, was ordered to spread the message. He was the one that said, well doesn't that contradict with the whole "no miracle" thing? I had never really thought about it before, which is why I wanted to ask, amazing how much you can learn talking with someone who has a different perspective lol.</p><p> </p><p>I am afraid that is not all though <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> He asked me other questions as well, I may as well just quote them word-for-word, everyone here seems really knowledgable on Sikhism, so I trust that the answers I get will be genuine.</p><p> </p><p>1) </p><p> </p><p>Okay so obviously the first part about the "miracle" has been answered. But what about the second part? This person in particular is a Muslim (I am also spending some time studying Islam, so am conversing with Muslims as well). So you could say that his thinking is very "Abrahamic". Muhammad claims to have gotten revelations from the angel Gabriel, that is why he is an authority figure for Muslims. Christians believe Jesus to be the actual Son of God, that is why he is an authority figure for them. Jews believe Moses to have gotten direct revelations from the (Abrahamic) God, that is why he is an authority figure for them. In each case, the "prophet" has laid claim to some sort of communication with a divine source, LITERAL communication, like words were actually exchanged.</p><p> </p><p>After reading through this thread, I have come to realize that this is not the case in Sikhi. Guru Nanak Ji, it would seem, did not actually claim to have "communicated" with God, at least not in the way most people understand "communication" to mean. Instead, it sounds more like Sikhism is his own personal opinion, after having been exposed to a multitude of different belief systems, after being witness to the chaos of the world around him due to the Mughal invasions, after seeing the damage hypocrisy does to society and people, he set out to live an honest life, do good for others, and instead of using religion as a means to divide people, he wanted to use it to unite people. Instead of making God an angry old man in the sky, he taught people to see God in all, that we are all the same, that we should treat others the way we would treat the Lord himself. Is this correct?</p><p> </p><p>If so, what exactly makes him an authority figure? In other words, if Sikhi is his (Guru Nanak Ji's) opinion of the best way to do things, how do I explain to an Abrahamic, someone who believes that only those in direct communion with the divine should be trusted, that it is logical and rational to live my entire life according to the opinions of a man, a very humble and wise man, but ultimately a man who did not claim to have spoken to anything supernatural?</p><p> </p><p>2) And his other question: </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Sort of ties in with the above. If Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a manifestation of the <strong>opinion</strong> of the 10 Gurus and other devotees of the best way to live life, highlighting what is wrong in society and how it can be fixed, how is it different to the Communist Manifesto, which although I haven't read, also does seem to talk about what is wrong in the world and lays out solutions to fixing the issues.</p><p> </p><p>3) And my own personal question that I do not believe has been answered yet: In certain parts of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it talks about having your deeds read out in the presence of the Lord of Dharma and also about how you will be <em>judged</em> according to your actions. Examples:</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਲੋਕੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਸਲੋਕੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">सलोकु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Salok.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Shalok:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਵਣੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਵਣੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗੁਰੂ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਗੁਰੂ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਾਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਤਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਿਤਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਾਤਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਮਾਤਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਧਰਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਹਤੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਮਹਤੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">पवणु गुरू पाणी पिता माता धरति महतु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Pavaṇ gurū pāṇī piṯā māṯā ḏẖaraṯ mahaṯ.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Air is the Guru, Water is the Father, and Earth is the Great Mother of all.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਿਵਸੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਦਿਵਸੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਾਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਰਾਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੁਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਦੁਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਾਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਦਾਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਾਇਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਦਾਇਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਖੇਲੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਖੇਲੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਗਲ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਸਗਲ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਗਤੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਜਗਤੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">दिवसु राति दुइ दाई दाइआ खेलै सगल जगतु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Ḏivas rāṯ ḏu▫e ḏā▫ī ḏā▫i▫ā kẖelai sagal jagaṯ.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Day and night are the two nurses, in whose lap all the world is at play.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਾਚੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਵਾਚੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਮੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਧਰਮੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਦੂਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਹਦੂਰਿ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">चंगिआईआ बुरिआईआ वाचै धरमु हदूरि ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Cẖang▫ā▫ī▫ā buri▫ā▫ī▫ā vācẖai ḏẖaram haḏūr.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><strong><em><u>Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma.</u></em></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕਰਮੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੋ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਆਪੋ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਆਪਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੇੜੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨੇੜੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੂਰਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਦੂਰਿ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">करमी आपो आपणी के नेड़ै के दूरि ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Karmī āpo āpṇī ke neṛai ke ḏūr.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven farther away.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਿਨੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਜਿਨੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਮੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨਾਮੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਿਆਇਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਧਿਆਇਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗਏ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਗਏ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਸਕਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਮਸਕਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਾਲਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਘਾਲਿ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">जिनी नामु धिआइआ गए मसकति घालि ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Jinī nām ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā ga▫e maskaṯ gẖāl.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨਾਨਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਤੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੁਖ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਮੁਖ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਉਜਲੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਉਜਲੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇਤੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕੇਤੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਛੁਟੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਛੁਟੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਲਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨਾਲਿ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥੧॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">नानक ते मुख उजले केती छुटी नालि ॥१॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Nānak ṯe mukẖ ujle keṯī cẖẖutī nāl. ||1||</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1||</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And also:</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਾਤੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਰਾਤੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰੁਤੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਰੁਤੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਤੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਥਿਤੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਾਰ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਵਾਰ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">राती रुती थिती वार ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Rāṯī ruṯī thiṯī vār.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Nights, days, weeks and seasons;</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਵਣ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਵਣ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਣੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਾਣੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਗਨੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਅਗਨੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਤਾਲ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਾਤਾਲ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">पवण पाणी अगनी पाताल ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Pavaṇ pāṇī agnī pāṯāl.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">wind, water, fire and the nether regions -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਸੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਤਿਸੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਚਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਵਿਚਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਤੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਧਰਤੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਾਪਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਥਾਪਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਖੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਰਖੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਮ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਧਰਮ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਾਲ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਸਾਲ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">तिसु विचि धरती थापि रखी धरम साल ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Ŧis vicẖ ḏẖarṯī thāp rakẖī ḏẖaram sāl.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">in the midst of these, He established the earth as a home for Dharma.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਸੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਤਿਸੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਚਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਵਿਚਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੀਅ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਜੀਅ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੁਗਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਜੁਗਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰੰਗ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਰੰਗ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">तिसु विचि जीअ जुगति के रंग ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Ŧis vicẖ jī▫a jugaṯ ke rang.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Upon it, He placed the various species of beings.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਨ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਤਿਨ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਮ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨਾਮ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੇਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਅਨੇਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੰਤ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਅਨੰਤ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">तिन के नाम अनेक अनंत ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Ŧin ke nām anek ananṯ.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">Their names are uncounted and endless.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕਰਮੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕਰਮੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹੋਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਹੋਇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੀਚਾਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਵੀਚਾਰੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">करमी करमी होइ वीचारु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Karmī karmī ho▫e vīcẖār.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080"><strong><em><u>By their deeds and their actions, they shall be judged.</u></em></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਸਚਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਆਪਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਸਚਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਰਬਾਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਦਰਬਾਰੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">सचा आपि सचा दरबारु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Sacẖā āp sacẖā ḏarbār.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">God Himself is True, and True is His Court.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਥੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਤਿਥੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੋਹਨਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਸੋਹਨਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪੰਚ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪੰਚ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਵਾਣੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਰਵਾਣੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">तिथै सोहनि पंच परवाणु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Ŧithai sohan pancẖ parvāṇ.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">There, in perfect grace and ease, sit the self-elect, the self-realized Saints.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਦਰੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨਦਰੀ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕਰਮਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਵੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਵੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੀਸਾਣੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨੀਸਾਣੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">नदरी करमि पवै नीसाणु ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Naḏrī karam pavai nīsāṇ.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">They receive the Mark of Grace from the Merciful Lord.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਚ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਕਚ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਕਾਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਕਾਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਓਥੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਓਥੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਪਾਇ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">कच पकाई ओथै पाइ ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Kacẖ pakā▫ī othai pā▫e.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">The ripe and the unripe, the good and the bad, shall there be judged.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਨਾਨਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗਇਆ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਗਇਆ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਪੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਜਾਪੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ਜਾਇ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 10px">॥੩੪॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #008080">नानक गइआ जापै जाइ ॥३४॥</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Nānak ga▫i▫ā jāpai jā▫e. ||34||</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">O Nanak, when you go home, you will see this. ||34||</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Seeing as Sikhi rejects the concepts of heaven/hell/reincarnation, and no one is going to "judge" you when you die, and there is no 'record" of your deeds since Sikhi (as per my understanding) also rejects the concept of sin, how exactly do you reconcile those beliefs with what is being said in the Shabads above? How are "the record is read out in the presence of the Lord of Dharma" and "by their deeds and their actions, they shall be <strong>judged</strong>", how does that somehow apply to THIS life?</p><p> </p><p>I hope I haven't caused any offence, that wasn't my intention, I am just trying to figure all this out, as I am currently not educated enough on Sikhi to be able to answer these questions on my own.</p><p> </p><p>Regards,</p><p> </p><p>ExploringSikhi.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ExploringSikhi, post: 189282, member: 19734"] It would be too much of an eye-sore to quote everyone who responded, so I will just send out a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who responded right here, I cannot express how appreciative I am of you guys putting in the effort to respond so eloquently. I have been conversing with a fellow non-Sikh about Sikhi for a few days now. I told him a bit about the philosophy of Guru Nanak, like not believing in miracles and whatnot, as well as some other things (what Guru Granth Sahib Ji actually means when it talks about heaven/hell/reincarnation etc...). He also asked me why Guru Nanak Ji was considered a Guru, and I told him the same things Sikhs told me when I had asked, that he went missing for 3 days, had spoken (literally) to Waheguru, was ordered to spread the message. He was the one that said, well doesn't that contradict with the whole "no miracle" thing? I had never really thought about it before, which is why I wanted to ask, amazing how much you can learn talking with someone who has a different perspective lol. I am afraid that is not all though :p He asked me other questions as well, I may as well just quote them word-for-word, everyone here seems really knowledgable on Sikhism, so I trust that the answers I get will be genuine. 1) Okay so obviously the first part about the "miracle" has been answered. But what about the second part? This person in particular is a Muslim (I am also spending some time studying Islam, so am conversing with Muslims as well). So you could say that his thinking is very "Abrahamic". Muhammad claims to have gotten revelations from the angel Gabriel, that is why he is an authority figure for Muslims. Christians believe Jesus to be the actual Son of God, that is why he is an authority figure for them. Jews believe Moses to have gotten direct revelations from the (Abrahamic) God, that is why he is an authority figure for them. In each case, the "prophet" has laid claim to some sort of communication with a divine source, LITERAL communication, like words were actually exchanged. After reading through this thread, I have come to realize that this is not the case in Sikhi. Guru Nanak Ji, it would seem, did not actually claim to have "communicated" with God, at least not in the way most people understand "communication" to mean. Instead, it sounds more like Sikhism is his own personal opinion, after having been exposed to a multitude of different belief systems, after being witness to the chaos of the world around him due to the Mughal invasions, after seeing the damage hypocrisy does to society and people, he set out to live an honest life, do good for others, and instead of using religion as a means to divide people, he wanted to use it to unite people. Instead of making God an angry old man in the sky, he taught people to see God in all, that we are all the same, that we should treat others the way we would treat the Lord himself. Is this correct? If so, what exactly makes him an authority figure? In other words, if Sikhi is his (Guru Nanak Ji's) opinion of the best way to do things, how do I explain to an Abrahamic, someone who believes that only those in direct communion with the divine should be trusted, that it is logical and rational to live my entire life according to the opinions of a man, a very humble and wise man, but ultimately a man who did not claim to have spoken to anything supernatural? 2) And his other question: Sort of ties in with the above. If Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a manifestation of the [B]opinion[/B] of the 10 Gurus and other devotees of the best way to live life, highlighting what is wrong in society and how it can be fixed, how is it different to the Communist Manifesto, which although I haven't read, also does seem to talk about what is wrong in the world and lays out solutions to fixing the issues. 3) And my own personal question that I do not believe has been answered yet: In certain parts of Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it talks about having your deeds read out in the presence of the Lord of Dharma and also about how you will be [I]judged[/I] according to your actions. Examples: [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਲੋਕੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਸਲੋਕੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]सलोकु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Salok.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Shalok:[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਵਣੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਵਣੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗੁਰੂ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਗੁਰੂ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਾਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਤਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਿਤਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਾਤਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਮਾਤਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਧਰਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਹਤੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਮਹਤੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]पवणु गुरू पाणी पिता माता धरति महतु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Pavaṇ gurū pāṇī piṯā māṯā ḏẖaraṯ mahaṯ.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Air is the Guru, Water is the Father, and Earth is the Great Mother of all.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਿਵਸੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਦਿਵਸੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਾਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਰਾਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੁਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਦੁਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਾਈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਦਾਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਾਇਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਦਾਇਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਖੇਲੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਖੇਲੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਗਲ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਸਗਲ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਗਤੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਜਗਤੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]दिवसु राति दुइ दाई दाइआ खेलै सगल जगतु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Ḏivas rāṯ ḏu▫e ḏā▫ī ḏā▫i▫ā kẖelai sagal jagaṯ.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Day and night are the two nurses, in whose lap all the world is at play.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਚੰਗਿਆਈਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਬੁਰਿਆਈਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਾਚੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਵਾਚੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਮੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਧਰਮੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹਦੂਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਹਦੂਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]चंगिआईआ बुरिआईआ वाचै धरमु हदूरि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Cẖang▫ā▫ī▫ā buri▫ā▫ī▫ā vācẖai ḏẖaram haḏūr.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080][B][I][U]Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma.[/U][/I][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕਰਮੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੋ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਆਪੋ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਆਪਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੇੜੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨੇੜੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੂਰਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਦੂਰਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]करमी आपो आपणी के नेड़ै के दूरि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Karmī āpo āpṇī ke neṛai ke ḏūr.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven farther away.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਿਨੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਜਿਨੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਮੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨਾਮੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਿਆਇਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਧਿਆਇਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗਏ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਗਏ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਸਕਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਮਸਕਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਘਾਲਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਘਾਲਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]जिनी नामु धिआइआ गए मसकति घालि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Jinī nām ḏẖi▫ā▫i▫ā ga▫e maskaṯ gẖāl.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows -[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨਾਨਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਤੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੁਖ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਮੁਖ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਉਜਲੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਉਜਲੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇਤੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕੇਤੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਛੁਟੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਛੁਟੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਲਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨਾਲਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥੧॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]नानक ते मुख उजले केती छुटी नालि ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Nānak ṯe mukẖ ujle keṯī cẖẖutī nāl. ||1||[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE] And also: [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਾਤੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਰਾਤੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰੁਤੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਰੁਤੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਿਤੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਥਿਤੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਾਰ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਵਾਰ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]राती रुती थिती वार ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Rāṯī ruṯī thiṯī vār.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Nights, days, weeks and seasons;[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਵਣ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਵਣ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਣੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਾਣੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਗਨੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਅਗਨੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਤਾਲ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਾਤਾਲ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]पवण पाणी अगनी पाताल ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Pavaṇ pāṇī agnī pāṯāl.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]wind, water, fire and the nether regions -[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਸੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਤਿਸੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਚਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਵਿਚਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਤੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਧਰਤੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਥਾਪਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਥਾਪਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰਖੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਰਖੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਧਰਮ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਧਰਮ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਾਲ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਸਾਲ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]तिसु विचि धरती थापि रखी धरम साल ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Ŧis vicẖ ḏẖarṯī thāp rakẖī ḏẖaram sāl.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]in the midst of these, He established the earth as a home for Dharma.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਸੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਤਿਸੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਚਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਵਿਚਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੀਅ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਜੀਅ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੁਗਤਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਜੁਗਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਰੰਗ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਰੰਗ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]तिसु विचि जीअ जुगति के रंग ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Ŧis vicẖ jī▫a jugaṯ ke rang.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Upon it, He placed the various species of beings.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਨ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਤਿਨ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕੇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਮ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨਾਮ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੇਕ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਅਨੇਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅਨੰਤ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਅਨੰਤ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]तिन के नाम अनेक अनंत ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Ŧin ke nām anek ananṯ.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]Their names are uncounted and endless.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕਰਮੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕਰਮੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹੋਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਹੋਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੀਚਾਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਵੀਚਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]करमी करमी होइ वीचारु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Karmī karmī ho▫e vīcẖār.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080][B][I][U]By their deeds and their actions, they shall be judged.[/U][/I][/B][/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਸਚਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਆਪਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਾ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਸਚਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦਰਬਾਰੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਦਰਬਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]सचा आपि सचा दरबारु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Sacẖā āp sacẖā ḏarbār.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]God Himself is True, and True is His Court.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਥੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਤਿਥੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੋਹਨਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਸੋਹਨਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪੰਚ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪੰਚ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਵਾਣੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਰਵਾਣੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]तिथै सोहनि पंच परवाणु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Ŧithai sohan pancẖ parvāṇ.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]There, in perfect grace and ease, sit the self-elect, the self-realized Saints.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਦਰੀ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨਦਰੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮਿ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕਰਮਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਵੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਵੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨੀਸਾਣੁ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨੀਸਾਣੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]नदरी करमि पवै नीसाणु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Naḏrī karam pavai nīsāṇ.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]They receive the Mark of Grace from the Merciful Lord.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਚ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਕਚ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਕਾਈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਕਾਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਓਥੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਓਥੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਾਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਪਾਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]कच पकाई ओथै पाइ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Kacẖ pakā▫ī othai pā▫e.[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]The ripe and the unripe, the good and the bad, shall there be judged.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਨਾਨਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਗਇਆ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਗਇਆ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਪੈ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਜਾਪੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਇ"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ਜਾਇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2]॥੩੪॥[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#008080]नानक गइआ जापै जाइ ॥३४॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2]Nānak ga▫i▫ā jāpai jā▫e. ||34||[/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]O Nanak, when you go home, you will see this. ||34||[/COLOR][/SIZE] Seeing as Sikhi rejects the concepts of heaven/hell/reincarnation, and no one is going to "judge" you when you die, and there is no 'record" of your deeds since Sikhi (as per my understanding) also rejects the concept of sin, how exactly do you reconcile those beliefs with what is being said in the Shabads above? How are "the record is read out in the presence of the Lord of Dharma" and "by their deeds and their actions, they shall be [B]judged[/B]", how does that somehow apply to THIS life? I hope I haven't caused any offence, that wasn't my intention, I am just trying to figure all this out, as I am currently not educated enough on Sikhi to be able to answer these questions on my own. Regards, ExploringSikhi. [/QUOTE]
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