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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member14" data-source="post: 180319" data-attributes="member: 586"><p>Tejwant ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How perceptive. </p><p>I'm being sarcastic, of course.</p><p>Yes there was some aversion. But not to worry, because I'm one of those people who, although we get very angry, very fast, it goes away almost immediately. Besides who can get angry at Gyani ji for long? He comes across to me as quite a likable person in fact. Unlike you though, you always get on my nerves. But then again this must be due to my own expectations.</p><p></p><p>When I saw your name under this thread, I thought that you were finally going to come in with a constructive response to the topic of discussion re: Karma. But instead, you make a judgement on my character as you have done so many times before. I guess it's a case of a leopard being incapable of changing its spots. And I wonder if this is an attempt to distract. Or perhaps you are trying to bully me out of this forum? If the latter is in fact what you have in mind, know that I will surely stop one day, and the reason for this will either be that I don't have time, or that I'm tired, or maybe I become paralyzed or am dead, but definitely it will not be because of you. </p><p></p><p>And what are you pointing at exactly when you said in the above, that “It must be what you call is your Karma”?</p><p></p><p>You appear very vague about this. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What do you know about the Buddha? Are you going to express your understanding or will you just keep making this kind of statement with the hope that I might begin to doubt myself? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And what great insight is this supposed to reveal? </p><p>Before you answer, let me pave the way for you.</p><p>I am least interested in the historical Buddha and history of Buddhism. The Buddha to me refers to the “one who knows and sees”. The set of teachings that I find valuable and consider Truth, can only be associated with such a person. Any other teaching or interpretation does not impress me as the Truth and therefore can't be said to have come from a Buddha. </p><p></p><p>And really, in the end it comes down to your understanding vs. my understanding about what constitutes Truth does it not? So we don't even really have to bring the Buddha or Guru Nanak into the picture. But I remember having suggested this to you before and invited you to a discussion. I guess though, that this time too, you will avoid doing this…:-/</p><p></p><p>I'd like to add also, that followers of living Gurus such as Sai Baba (he is dead of course) had a living person to guide them, does that make what he taught more worthy of trust?</p><p></p><p>And do you realize that an oral tradition involving large number of people regularly reciting a given set of teachings is less liable to corruption as compared to written texts?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, you could be manufacturing stuff in the process of interpretation. But let's not go that way. Let's just start a discussion about Truth without reference to either the Buddha or any of the Sikh Gurus.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you can convince me that my understanding of the Truth is wrong and yours is right, you can consider me as being completely deluded and constantly in a dream state. Until then, know that from my perspective, if anything represents the concept of tooth fairy absolutely, it is God. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the way you throw around the concept of karma, sounds like you are talking from under water or rather, mud.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean silly rituals only cover particular activities performed by Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists. What Sikhs do, such as keep hair uncut and the other four Ks and singing songs and playing musical instruments in praise of God do not count as ritual? </p><p></p><p>Belief in Self and tendency to rites and rituals go hand in hand. And belief in God is a powerful cause for arousing this particular tendency. In other words, if you believe in God, you can't avoid one form of ritualistic activity or another.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Learn? What kind of learning are you referring to? Are you talking about learning as in understanding language and communication? Learning as in acquiring a set of knowledge from a particular field of study? Learning as in training oneself to think logically? Or learning as in coming to gradually understand the Truth? </p><p></p><p>This last one is what I'm interested in and have been trying to encourage here. And I don't believe that you have any clue about it at all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You apparently are enjoying having a go at what amount to your own mis-characterization of others as well as the ideas that they are trying to get across. </p><p></p><p>So don't enjoy, because you do this with eyes closed, and I would like to see you open your eyes even if only for a second, before death comes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member14, post: 180319, member: 586"] Tejwant ji, How perceptive. I'm being sarcastic, of course. Yes there was some aversion. But not to worry, because I'm one of those people who, although we get very angry, very fast, it goes away almost immediately. Besides who can get angry at Gyani ji for long? He comes across to me as quite a likable person in fact. Unlike you though, you always get on my nerves. But then again this must be due to my own expectations. When I saw your name under this thread, I thought that you were finally going to come in with a constructive response to the topic of discussion re: Karma. But instead, you make a judgement on my character as you have done so many times before. I guess it's a case of a leopard being incapable of changing its spots. And I wonder if this is an attempt to distract. Or perhaps you are trying to bully me out of this forum? If the latter is in fact what you have in mind, know that I will surely stop one day, and the reason for this will either be that I don't have time, or that I'm tired, or maybe I become paralyzed or am dead, but definitely it will not be because of you. And what are you pointing at exactly when you said in the above, that “It must be what you call is your Karma”? You appear very vague about this. What do you know about the Buddha? Are you going to express your understanding or will you just keep making this kind of statement with the hope that I might begin to doubt myself? And what great insight is this supposed to reveal? Before you answer, let me pave the way for you. I am least interested in the historical Buddha and history of Buddhism. The Buddha to me refers to the “one who knows and sees”. The set of teachings that I find valuable and consider Truth, can only be associated with such a person. Any other teaching or interpretation does not impress me as the Truth and therefore can't be said to have come from a Buddha. And really, in the end it comes down to your understanding vs. my understanding about what constitutes Truth does it not? So we don't even really have to bring the Buddha or Guru Nanak into the picture. But I remember having suggested this to you before and invited you to a discussion. I guess though, that this time too, you will avoid doing this…:-/ I'd like to add also, that followers of living Gurus such as Sai Baba (he is dead of course) had a living person to guide them, does that make what he taught more worthy of trust? And do you realize that an oral tradition involving large number of people regularly reciting a given set of teachings is less liable to corruption as compared to written texts? Well, you could be manufacturing stuff in the process of interpretation. But let's not go that way. Let's just start a discussion about Truth without reference to either the Buddha or any of the Sikh Gurus. If you can convince me that my understanding of the Truth is wrong and yours is right, you can consider me as being completely deluded and constantly in a dream state. Until then, know that from my perspective, if anything represents the concept of tooth fairy absolutely, it is God. And the way you throw around the concept of karma, sounds like you are talking from under water or rather, mud. You mean silly rituals only cover particular activities performed by Hindus, Muslims and Buddhists. What Sikhs do, such as keep hair uncut and the other four Ks and singing songs and playing musical instruments in praise of God do not count as ritual? Belief in Self and tendency to rites and rituals go hand in hand. And belief in God is a powerful cause for arousing this particular tendency. In other words, if you believe in God, you can't avoid one form of ritualistic activity or another. Learn? What kind of learning are you referring to? Are you talking about learning as in understanding language and communication? Learning as in acquiring a set of knowledge from a particular field of study? Learning as in training oneself to think logically? Or learning as in coming to gradually understand the Truth? This last one is what I'm interested in and have been trying to encourage here. And I don't believe that you have any clue about it at all. You apparently are enjoying having a go at what amount to your own mis-characterization of others as well as the ideas that they are trying to get across. So don't enjoy, because you do this with eyes closed, and I would like to see you open your eyes even if only for a second, before death comes. [/QUOTE]
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