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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member14" data-source="post: 179177" data-attributes="member: 586"><p>Tejwant ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think I would have snapped at you and be on the warpath, had it not been that I just read a couple of pages from a book on adult ADD I started reading a few days ago (which is one reason I made use of the concept instead of my usual reference to particular mental states). In that it was stated that one of the possible symptoms of ADD is sarcasm, which I was quite surprised to read, judging from my own experience. But I do see why you would think that I have been sarcastic; after all you have been working with many different people with ADD.</p><p></p><p>And I think that if you got past this initial reaction, you’d not come to the kind of conclusion you did above. I mean why would someone who has admitted to having ADD wish it on someone else?</p><p></p><p>The reason I mentioned ADD the first time in our conversations was after you accused me of proselytizing. It was to highlight the fact that I expend much energy into writing and why I'd not do this if proselytizing was my objective, especially since I also see at the same time, little sign of others being influenced. </p><p></p><p>=== </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>And frankly, I am thinking, “Damn you”!</p><p>This second time was after I perceived you as misrepresenting what I said. And it was stated as an excuse “for you”, which if turn out to be true, makes you the object of sympathy and not of insult. I thought about my own experiences and how you'd similarly be experiencing difficulty. And right now, the word paranoia comes to mind, but even here, amidst the anger, moments of sympathy arise in between.</p><p></p><p>Just last night, my older son came to me after being scolded by his mother, and said that he was fed up of being scolded, and immediately started to criticize her for this habit. I told him that she can't help herself as we all are with regard to our own peculiar tendencies. I then told him that when we criticize other people, at that time we are overlooking our own state of mind and forgetting our own faults.</p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p></p><p>And you read my response to you regarding this as motivated by ill-will hence this response from you? I was actually expecting a friendly response. </p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p></p><p>I explained above, but I can't be sure now whether you will take it in a positive way. It is almost like I'm trying to calm down a guard dog who mistrusts me while defending its master.</p><p></p><p>===</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Other than simply stating that the Truth can't be anyone's monopoly, can you give some reason for thinking this way? And can you answer one simple question, why if Guru Nanak and the Buddha both understood the Truth, did one teach about God and the other did not? </p><p></p><p>===</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes, I know.</p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason I stated that “I consider other things more in need of attention than having ADD” is this:</p><p></p><p>Worldly pursuit such as academic success and career aside, except for the fact that anger arises when being distracted, I consider my ADD relatively harmless. As I understand it, ADD is primarily pure ignorance rooted in restlessness and attachment to sense objects. And of course it reflects also a lack of wisdom. None of this however, is karma result, but are states which are of the nature of cause. </p><p></p><p>Pure restlessness although unwholesome, and can condition other unwholesome states, can't itself give rise to unpleasant results. The sense attachments associated with ADD, although these are unwholesome and are accumulative and sometimes a cause for anger is not however, of the strength which will condition bad results.</p><p></p><p>This is the reason why I consider ADD a small problem. The real problems being the 10 unwholesome courses of action which I listed earlier, the worst of which is Wrong View.</p><p></p><p>===</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are places in the Buddha's teachings where reference is made to thinking about all beings in all directions with kindness / friendliness. But we are also reminded about being truthful to the reality. This means that we have to consider if we truly have that much kindness? Indeed do we even know to differentiate kindness from attachment? Because if in fact we don't have the kind of kindness what ends up being the case is that we just grow in attachment and tendency to fool ourselves, and this can't be good.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member14, post: 179177, member: 586"] Tejwant ji, I think I would have snapped at you and be on the warpath, had it not been that I just read a couple of pages from a book on adult ADD I started reading a few days ago (which is one reason I made use of the concept instead of my usual reference to particular mental states). In that it was stated that one of the possible symptoms of ADD is sarcasm, which I was quite surprised to read, judging from my own experience. But I do see why you would think that I have been sarcastic; after all you have been working with many different people with ADD. And I think that if you got past this initial reaction, you’d not come to the kind of conclusion you did above. I mean why would someone who has admitted to having ADD wish it on someone else? The reason I mentioned ADD the first time in our conversations was after you accused me of proselytizing. It was to highlight the fact that I expend much energy into writing and why I'd not do this if proselytizing was my objective, especially since I also see at the same time, little sign of others being influenced. === And frankly, I am thinking, “Damn you”! This second time was after I perceived you as misrepresenting what I said. And it was stated as an excuse “for you”, which if turn out to be true, makes you the object of sympathy and not of insult. I thought about my own experiences and how you'd similarly be experiencing difficulty. And right now, the word paranoia comes to mind, but even here, amidst the anger, moments of sympathy arise in between. Just last night, my older son came to me after being scolded by his mother, and said that he was fed up of being scolded, and immediately started to criticize her for this habit. I told him that she can't help herself as we all are with regard to our own peculiar tendencies. I then told him that when we criticize other people, at that time we are overlooking our own state of mind and forgetting our own faults. === And you read my response to you regarding this as motivated by ill-will hence this response from you? I was actually expecting a friendly response. === I explained above, but I can't be sure now whether you will take it in a positive way. It is almost like I'm trying to calm down a guard dog who mistrusts me while defending its master. === Other than simply stating that the Truth can't be anyone's monopoly, can you give some reason for thinking this way? And can you answer one simple question, why if Guru Nanak and the Buddha both understood the Truth, did one teach about God and the other did not? === Yes, I know. === The reason I stated that “I consider other things more in need of attention than having ADD” is this: Worldly pursuit such as academic success and career aside, except for the fact that anger arises when being distracted, I consider my ADD relatively harmless. As I understand it, ADD is primarily pure ignorance rooted in restlessness and attachment to sense objects. And of course it reflects also a lack of wisdom. None of this however, is karma result, but are states which are of the nature of cause. Pure restlessness although unwholesome, and can condition other unwholesome states, can't itself give rise to unpleasant results. The sense attachments associated with ADD, although these are unwholesome and are accumulative and sometimes a cause for anger is not however, of the strength which will condition bad results. This is the reason why I consider ADD a small problem. The real problems being the 10 unwholesome courses of action which I listed earlier, the worst of which is Wrong View. === There are places in the Buddha's teachings where reference is made to thinking about all beings in all directions with kindness / friendliness. But we are also reminded about being truthful to the reality. This means that we have to consider if we truly have that much kindness? Indeed do we even know to differentiate kindness from attachment? Because if in fact we don't have the kind of kindness what ends up being the case is that we just grow in attachment and tendency to fool ourselves, and this can't be good. [/QUOTE]
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