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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member14" data-source="post: 178824" data-attributes="member: 586"><p>Ambarsaria ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Never mind what the meaning according to the dictionary is. Refer to the Wikipedia instead and let me know what you disagree with.</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Buddhism</p><p>Main article: Karma in Buddhism</p><p></p><p>In Buddhism, karma (Pāli kamma) is strictly distinguished from vipāka, meaning "fruit" or "result". Karma is categorized within the group or groups of cause (Pāli hetu) in the chain of cause and effect, where it comprises the elements of "volitional activities" (Pali sankhara) and "action" (Pali bhava). Any action is understood as creating "seeds" in the mind that will sprout into the appropriate result (Pāli vipaka) when met with the right conditions. Most types of karmas, with good or bad results, will keep one within the wheel of samsāra, while others will liberate one to nirvāna.[citation needed]</p><p></p><p>Karma is one of five categories of causation, known collectively as niyama dhammas, the first being kamma, and the other four being utu (seasons and weather), bīja (heredity, lit. "seed"), chitta (mind) and dhamma (law, in the sense of nature's tendency to perfect).<end quote></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Although most people got it wrong, I have yet to meet a person believing in karma who would state it this way, that we are “products of previous states of existence”. Even the Hindu understanding is not like this. Again, from the Wikipedia:</p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Hinduism</p><p>Main article: Karma in Hinduism</p><p></p><p>Karma is not punishment or retribution but simply an extended expression or consequence of natural acts. Karma means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, that governs all life. The effects experienced are also able to be mitigated by actions and are not necessarily fated. That is to say, a particular action now is not binding to some particular, pre-determined future experience or reaction; it is not a simple, one-to-one correspondence of reward or punishment.</p><p></p><p>Karma is not fate, for humans act with free will creating their own destiny. According to the Vedas, if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.<end quote></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What do you mean by “pacifist ways” and what it means to not be pacifist? You mean as opposed to being proactive / militant? Is Sikh militant? </p><p>Please tell me how life works? Or better still, what is “life”?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Buddhism teaches about karma and with this itself, does away with any kind of discrimination, having examples of people from all walks of life, including thieves, becoming enlightened. Please explain why you keep making a connection between karma and caste system and in criticizing the one, dismiss the other? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not even the Buddha can save anyone. Each person is responsible for his own actions and the result which follow. I think the original teachings of the Hindus also agree with this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What according to you is a human? What are the causes and conditions for birth, life and death, be it that of human or animal?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There is old age, sickness and death in the case of beings and there is wearing away and destruction in the case of the physical world. According to you, is this not part of the consonance? So why evil deeds can’t have a part and only good is encouraged? I mean, would not good and evil both be part of creator / creation? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Each person is living in his own self-created world; the sooner one realizes this, the better. You appear to me, bound by your ideas as much as the next person. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You make it sound as if holding on to the concept of vastness and in-finiteness somehow puts you in a position of having a better perspective on things than those who don't. But really, this is just thinking about particular concepts, which by nature is as insignificant as any other thinking / thought. And if you are saying that the wider the knowledge about this and that, the better it is, I'd say that *this* is an obstacle to wisdom / right knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is simply telling us, as science does and Hindu and Buddhist cosmology also do, that there are countless number of planets, star systems etc. But so what?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, even if there were indeed just a small number of planets, studying and having a comprehensive knowledge about them does nothing in the way of developing wisdom. Wisdom would know for example, thinking as thinking, an ephemeral mental reality, therefore insignificant, regardless of what the concept thought about is. </p><p>Please give me an example of a wise act? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thank you for saying it. But really, I don't think that I have such a good mind, only different (being ADD). And besides I am not even slightly wise, which is the only thing that I really value. :</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member14, post: 178824, member: 586"] Ambarsaria ji, Never mind what the meaning according to the dictionary is. Refer to the Wikipedia instead and let me know what you disagree with. Quote: Buddhism Main article: Karma in Buddhism In Buddhism, karma (Pāli kamma) is strictly distinguished from vipāka, meaning "fruit" or "result". Karma is categorized within the group or groups of cause (Pāli hetu) in the chain of cause and effect, where it comprises the elements of "volitional activities" (Pali sankhara) and "action" (Pali bhava). Any action is understood as creating "seeds" in the mind that will sprout into the appropriate result (Pāli vipaka) when met with the right conditions. Most types of karmas, with good or bad results, will keep one within the wheel of samsāra, while others will liberate one to nirvāna.[citation needed] Karma is one of five categories of causation, known collectively as niyama dhammas, the first being kamma, and the other four being utu (seasons and weather), bīja (heredity, lit. "seed"), chitta (mind) and dhamma (law, in the sense of nature's tendency to perfect).<end quote> Although most people got it wrong, I have yet to meet a person believing in karma who would state it this way, that we are “products of previous states of existence”. Even the Hindu understanding is not like this. Again, from the Wikipedia: Quote: Hinduism Main article: Karma in Hinduism Karma is not punishment or retribution but simply an extended expression or consequence of natural acts. Karma means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction, that governs all life. The effects experienced are also able to be mitigated by actions and are not necessarily fated. That is to say, a particular action now is not binding to some particular, pre-determined future experience or reaction; it is not a simple, one-to-one correspondence of reward or punishment. Karma is not fate, for humans act with free will creating their own destiny. According to the Vedas, if one sows goodness, one will reap goodness; if one sows evil, one will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response.<end quote> What do you mean by “pacifist ways” and what it means to not be pacifist? You mean as opposed to being proactive / militant? Is Sikh militant? Please tell me how life works? Or better still, what is “life”? Buddhism teaches about karma and with this itself, does away with any kind of discrimination, having examples of people from all walks of life, including thieves, becoming enlightened. Please explain why you keep making a connection between karma and caste system and in criticizing the one, dismiss the other? Not even the Buddha can save anyone. Each person is responsible for his own actions and the result which follow. I think the original teachings of the Hindus also agree with this. What according to you is a human? What are the causes and conditions for birth, life and death, be it that of human or animal? There is old age, sickness and death in the case of beings and there is wearing away and destruction in the case of the physical world. According to you, is this not part of the consonance? So why evil deeds can’t have a part and only good is encouraged? I mean, would not good and evil both be part of creator / creation? Each person is living in his own self-created world; the sooner one realizes this, the better. You appear to me, bound by your ideas as much as the next person. You make it sound as if holding on to the concept of vastness and in-finiteness somehow puts you in a position of having a better perspective on things than those who don't. But really, this is just thinking about particular concepts, which by nature is as insignificant as any other thinking / thought. And if you are saying that the wider the knowledge about this and that, the better it is, I'd say that *this* is an obstacle to wisdom / right knowledge. This is simply telling us, as science does and Hindu and Buddhist cosmology also do, that there are countless number of planets, star systems etc. But so what? Well, even if there were indeed just a small number of planets, studying and having a comprehensive knowledge about them does nothing in the way of developing wisdom. Wisdom would know for example, thinking as thinking, an ephemeral mental reality, therefore insignificant, regardless of what the concept thought about is. Please give me an example of a wise act? Thank you for saying it. But really, I don't think that I have such a good mind, only different (being ADD). And besides I am not even slightly wise, which is the only thing that I really value. : [/QUOTE]
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