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Gurbani (14-53)
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Pahre (74-78)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
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Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
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Kaafee (365-409)
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Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
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Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
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Gurbani (1319-23)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
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Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="findingmyway" data-source="post: 133262" data-attributes="member: 12855"><p><span style="color: DarkRed">Harryputtar ji,</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">You really are taking things round and round in circles. This will be my final post on this topic as we really have covered everything as far as i can see unless someone has something earth shattering to say!! (Though I am looking forward to skeptic.freethinker1's comments on his return)</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">Firstly, don't believe everything you read on google searches. I am constantly telling patients not to use google as there is a lot of rubbish out there. I was thinking back to my history lessons in school (admittedly they were a while ago so I don't remember all the details!!) Also don't believe all pictures. There are hundreds of pictures out there of Guru Nanak Dev Ji holding a mala. Anyone who has started understanding his philosophy will know that this picture cannot have been a real scene as Guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected such things.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">No-one has ever said you don't have freedom. That's the beauty of free will. This thread about helping skeptic.freethinker1 and others choose. Every action has a consequence. The symbolism and historical significance has already been explained several times. To many of us keeping kesh is no different to wearing a kara. You say I made sense earlier then why do you keep justifying cutting hair when I already said it's about faith? Keeping kesh is not blind faith but has a logical and understandable motive based in maintaining identity. I think this is just as relevant today as ever. People always dress according to the situation they are in and the person they want to be. Kesh is part of the Gursikh uniform. Those who want to cut their hair as they have difficulties getting into a nightclub definitely should as if they want to go clubbing they are not following a Gursikh path. (Those who keep kesh but are committing atrocities are not following a gursikh path either but that's a different story). Where Sikhs are known they are generally well respected. Admitted that in the west there is still a lot of ignorance about us but organisations such as SALDEF and United Sikhs are working on improving this situation and we all need to be doing our bit by always being on our best behaviour rather than hiding below the covers. Keeping this uniform should always make us aware to always be the best human beings we can be. You can be a good human without the uniform too but that does not lessen the significance of the uniform.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">Every action has a consequence. You most definitely do have a choice. You can cut your hair if you don't believe in the reasons presented. You will still be a Sikh if you so choose but you will not have the option to take khanda di pahaul and become a member of the khalsa. If that's not important to you then fine. However, you cannot change a whole religion to suit your sentiments. That's like going into the police force and saying you hate the colour blue for whatever reason so can they change everyone's uniform to green! I am not saying the Khalsa are better than you or anyone else, but you have no right to ridicule their beliefs when they are not doing you or anyone else harm. It is a way of life that people are FREE to CHOOSE. They are willing to show commitment, you are not. Why are you resorting to attacking beliefs to alleviate your own insecurities? Points against keeping kesh have been raised and answered in a reasonable manner so now everyone is free to choose what to do. There are many cases where the Guru's hukam is being ignored as it goes against what people want to do. One example; there are many Panjabi's love their booze! They twist the hukam and give a thousand reasons why it's ok but IT IS AGAINST Guru Ji's hukam. They don't stop being Sikhs but are not following all aspects of Sikhi. Why are we not spending more time on this issue than hair? Keeping hair is a choice with no bad consequences but the same cannot be said about drinking alcohol. So why is one more accepted than the other? Because it is socially acceptable. Again this shows lack of commitment. (I am not attacking you personally harryputtar but am making general statements based on my experiences around the world-i don't know details about you and do not want to know as it is your business frankly, not mine).</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">Sikhi is a journey. We are all at different points. The less you follow of Guru Ji's hukam, the further you have to travel on that path. If you don't want to be judged for cutting your hair, then don't judge others for wanting to keep theirs.</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">You want to be taken seriously when you make comments such as this?!! Control your lustful thoughts man...</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed">:sigh::nothingtoadd:</span></p><p><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="findingmyway, post: 133262, member: 12855"] [COLOR=DarkRed]Harryputtar ji, You really are taking things round and round in circles. This will be my final post on this topic as we really have covered everything as far as i can see unless someone has something earth shattering to say!! (Though I am looking forward to skeptic.freethinker1's comments on his return)[/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]Firstly, don't believe everything you read on google searches. I am constantly telling patients not to use google as there is a lot of rubbish out there. I was thinking back to my history lessons in school (admittedly they were a while ago so I don't remember all the details!!) Also don't believe all pictures. There are hundreds of pictures out there of Guru Nanak Dev Ji holding a mala. Anyone who has started understanding his philosophy will know that this picture cannot have been a real scene as Guru Nanak Dev Ji rejected such things. No-one has ever said you don't have freedom. That's the beauty of free will. This thread about helping skeptic.freethinker1 and others choose. Every action has a consequence. The symbolism and historical significance has already been explained several times. To many of us keeping kesh is no different to wearing a kara. You say I made sense earlier then why do you keep justifying cutting hair when I already said it's about faith? Keeping kesh is not blind faith but has a logical and understandable motive based in maintaining identity. I think this is just as relevant today as ever. People always dress according to the situation they are in and the person they want to be. Kesh is part of the Gursikh uniform. Those who want to cut their hair as they have difficulties getting into a nightclub definitely should as if they want to go clubbing they are not following a Gursikh path. (Those who keep kesh but are committing atrocities are not following a gursikh path either but that's a different story). Where Sikhs are known they are generally well respected. Admitted that in the west there is still a lot of ignorance about us but organisations such as SALDEF and United Sikhs are working on improving this situation and we all need to be doing our bit by always being on our best behaviour rather than hiding below the covers. Keeping this uniform should always make us aware to always be the best human beings we can be. You can be a good human without the uniform too but that does not lessen the significance of the uniform. Every action has a consequence. You most definitely do have a choice. You can cut your hair if you don't believe in the reasons presented. You will still be a Sikh if you so choose but you will not have the option to take khanda di pahaul and become a member of the khalsa. If that's not important to you then fine. However, you cannot change a whole religion to suit your sentiments. That's like going into the police force and saying you hate the colour blue for whatever reason so can they change everyone's uniform to green! I am not saying the Khalsa are better than you or anyone else, but you have no right to ridicule their beliefs when they are not doing you or anyone else harm. It is a way of life that people are FREE to CHOOSE. They are willing to show commitment, you are not. Why are you resorting to attacking beliefs to alleviate your own insecurities? Points against keeping kesh have been raised and answered in a reasonable manner so now everyone is free to choose what to do. There are many cases where the Guru's hukam is being ignored as it goes against what people want to do. One example; there are many Panjabi's love their booze! They twist the hukam and give a thousand reasons why it's ok but IT IS AGAINST Guru Ji's hukam. They don't stop being Sikhs but are not following all aspects of Sikhi. Why are we not spending more time on this issue than hair? Keeping hair is a choice with no bad consequences but the same cannot be said about drinking alcohol. So why is one more accepted than the other? Because it is socially acceptable. Again this shows lack of commitment. (I am not attacking you personally harryputtar but am making general statements based on my experiences around the world-i don't know details about you and do not want to know as it is your business frankly, not mine). Sikhi is a journey. We are all at different points. The less you follow of Guru Ji's hukam, the further you have to travel on that path. If you don't want to be judged for cutting your hair, then don't judge others for wanting to keep theirs. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkRed]You want to be taken seriously when you make comments such as this?!! Control your lustful thoughts man... :sigh::nothingtoadd: [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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