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<blockquote data-quote="Harkiran Kaur" data-source="post: 206159" data-attributes="member: 18224"><p>Ambarsaria Ji,</p><p></p><p>Can I ask you a question??</p><p>Guru Gobind Singh Ji, was quoted as saying that "as long as Khalsa retains its unique identity...." he will give his entire radiance and strength. Turban was given as part of the 'khalsa uniform'. My question to you is, do you think Guru Gobind Singh Ji meant for only males to be Khalsa? Because some Singhs actually believe this! That there is no historical evidence that women even took amrit in 1699 or immediate time after. First recorded 'Kaurs' taking amrit were in late 1700's. Before that the common 'Kaurs' we hear of, Mata Sahib Kaur Ji for example were actually Mata Sahib Devi Ji. In fact some argue that women were only given amrit (and that too... kirpan amrit) so their warrior husbands would actually be able to eat the food they cooked. Meaning, some believe that women were never supposed to be Khalsa... meaning Sikhi is no different than any other religion when it comes to keeping women out of the heirarchy of the faith, keeping all authority in hands of males. Obviously I believe that Khalsa was meant for both... or what, Sikhi is only for men?? These Singhs, also say Khalsa itself was not a 'woman thing'!! So should we just shut up, be quiet, sit on sidelines in the religion, and let men run everything while we cook for you??</p><p>Part of the argument is that Khalsa uniform was intended by Guru Ji to include turban, to stand out among the crowd. Actions certainly form part of identity, but the purpose of giving Khalsa a uniform was to stand out <strong>VISIBLY</strong>! Now, if women do not tie one, and wear only a chunni, they blend in. You can't tell the difference between a Hindu woman, a Muslim woman (most Muslim women in India tie very loose chunnis over their heads and not the tight hijab you see in other places), and a Sikh woman wearing a chunni. Go to Kashmir and you will find it difficult to point at a woman and say which religion she is. Is this "standing out in a crowd"?? It's blending in! </p><p>Some have suggested this was on purpose as keski was originally meant for both, but in turbulent times, women blended in more for protection. At one time Darbar Sahib actually required a keski of ANYONE male or female wishing to take amrit. In early 1900s it was relaxed for females to encourage more women to take amrit. </p><p> </p><p>So do you think that Khalsa itself was actually meant for only males? For me, I feel like if I don't don the FULL Khalsa uniform, then I am only 'almost' Khalsa and giving those Singhs more ammo, more reasons to place restrictions on women because we don't "fully" embody that image... the unique identity of Khalsa.</p><p> </p><p>Ishna Ji is correct, I am not saying I am superior at all by tying one, what I am trying to do is show those Singhs that THEY are NOT superior to US! And yes, I have heard the argument that women are more subordinate role to men in Sikhi because of not being fully in the Khalsa warrior image. That women's 'role' was at home having babies and cooking and serving their warrior husbands... and that the leadership in Sikhi belongs to the Khalsa 'Singhs'. That women only were given a 'token' amrit (kirpan amrit) so they could 'serve' their husbands and it not be considered 'jhoot'. But that women were never upposed to even be Khalsa at all. For MANY young Singhnis, tying a turban is making a stand against this ideology that women are meant to only have subordinate roles and serve men. To stand out like Mai Bhago Ji (who also tied a turban btw...) which brings me to my last point:</p><p> </p><p>Guru Gobind Singh Ji was quoted as giving a HUKAM to Mai Bhago, because she was such high avastha, that she neglected her physical state (clothing) and nearly naked. Guru Ji told her to wear kachera and to tie a TURBAN!!! He could have just told her to wear kachera and cover her body, but he specifically gave her hukam to TIE A TURBAN. Why did he feel that was important?? I mean if turbans were not womanly, and not something women should do??</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harkiran Kaur, post: 206159, member: 18224"] Ambarsaria Ji, Can I ask you a question?? Guru Gobind Singh Ji, was quoted as saying that "as long as Khalsa retains its unique identity...." he will give his entire radiance and strength. Turban was given as part of the 'khalsa uniform'. My question to you is, do you think Guru Gobind Singh Ji meant for only males to be Khalsa? Because some Singhs actually believe this! That there is no historical evidence that women even took amrit in 1699 or immediate time after. First recorded 'Kaurs' taking amrit were in late 1700's. Before that the common 'Kaurs' we hear of, Mata Sahib Kaur Ji for example were actually Mata Sahib Devi Ji. In fact some argue that women were only given amrit (and that too... kirpan amrit) so their warrior husbands would actually be able to eat the food they cooked. Meaning, some believe that women were never supposed to be Khalsa... meaning Sikhi is no different than any other religion when it comes to keeping women out of the heirarchy of the faith, keeping all authority in hands of males. Obviously I believe that Khalsa was meant for both... or what, Sikhi is only for men?? These Singhs, also say Khalsa itself was not a 'woman thing'!! So should we just shut up, be quiet, sit on sidelines in the religion, and let men run everything while we cook for you?? Part of the argument is that Khalsa uniform was intended by Guru Ji to include turban, to stand out among the crowd. Actions certainly form part of identity, but the purpose of giving Khalsa a uniform was to stand out [B]VISIBLY[/B]! Now, if women do not tie one, and wear only a chunni, they blend in. You can't tell the difference between a Hindu woman, a Muslim woman (most Muslim women in India tie very loose chunnis over their heads and not the tight hijab you see in other places), and a Sikh woman wearing a chunni. Go to Kashmir and you will find it difficult to point at a woman and say which religion she is. Is this "standing out in a crowd"?? It's blending in! Some have suggested this was on purpose as keski was originally meant for both, but in turbulent times, women blended in more for protection. At one time Darbar Sahib actually required a keski of ANYONE male or female wishing to take amrit. In early 1900s it was relaxed for females to encourage more women to take amrit. So do you think that Khalsa itself was actually meant for only males? For me, I feel like if I don't don the FULL Khalsa uniform, then I am only 'almost' Khalsa and giving those Singhs more ammo, more reasons to place restrictions on women because we don't "fully" embody that image... the unique identity of Khalsa. Ishna Ji is correct, I am not saying I am superior at all by tying one, what I am trying to do is show those Singhs that THEY are NOT superior to US! And yes, I have heard the argument that women are more subordinate role to men in Sikhi because of not being fully in the Khalsa warrior image. That women's 'role' was at home having babies and cooking and serving their warrior husbands... and that the leadership in Sikhi belongs to the Khalsa 'Singhs'. That women only were given a 'token' amrit (kirpan amrit) so they could 'serve' their husbands and it not be considered 'jhoot'. But that women were never upposed to even be Khalsa at all. For MANY young Singhnis, tying a turban is making a stand against this ideology that women are meant to only have subordinate roles and serve men. To stand out like Mai Bhago Ji (who also tied a turban btw...) which brings me to my last point: Guru Gobind Singh Ji was quoted as giving a HUKAM to Mai Bhago, because she was such high avastha, that she neglected her physical state (clothing) and nearly naked. Guru Ji told her to wear kachera and to tie a TURBAN!!! He could have just told her to wear kachera and cover her body, but he specifically gave her hukam to TIE A TURBAN. Why did he feel that was important?? I mean if turbans were not womanly, and not something women should do?? [/QUOTE]
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