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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 206158" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Harkiran Kaur ji you can read what you want into it or twist it the way you want it. I am not bullying my way with an argument and neither should you. Be specific and stop picking a fight with fellow well wishing Sikhs who admire your contributions.</p><p></p><p>Show me where I want you to stop wearing a turban, I am simply saying there is lot of flexibility for both men and women and respecting the hair on your head is the context. Nothing more or less. I believe some how you are trying to project that wearing a turban for a Sikh woman is the best thing, it needs to be specially recognized, rewarded and somehow makes this class of women more Sikh than others. I definitely see no basis for it and personally reject that without asking anyone to do it one way or other. A Sikh woman wearing a turban is no different than a Sikh woman not wearing a turban to me. Sikhism must start from inside and shows and shines in both men and woman with or without a turban but only context is per SRM which has given ample flexibility to both. Taken to the extreme the creators of SRM could have even defined the style of a turban, the length of cloth, the color of the cloth, times of the day that it must be worn, how to take it off during washing your hair, how long to keep it off while you are drying your hair, how to tie your hair before tying a turban, can it be starched or not, should it be tied from the start every time you take it off, and so on. Why they did not do that? Because there was a simple context behind it. Respect the hair you are required to keep in the best way possible and a generic turban was mentioned for Sikh men because there was a variety of head dresses worn by men in other religions including caps, skull caps and kullas (permanent turban like dress) and these were ruled out for men with the use of the word turban. The only categories of head dresses of the times for women other than chunnis or nothing at all were veils and these were identified as not proper for women. You stated a context that chunnis were allowed so that more women would get baptized, which is utterly wrong. Chunnis were the way of the times for women requiring no enforcement and accepted for Sikh women in the flexibility provided within SRM. Harkiran Kaur ji this is the context that I understand and that I came to know from all Sikhs I have come to know in my life. Exception to this is Sikhs who want to enforce their ways as the best ways without any support from SRM which includes Sikh women wearing turbans, Sikh men wearing dhumallahs, and so on and requiring every man to only wear certain style of turban. None of this is supported in the SRM and description is pretty simple (no rocket science) to be not requiring so many posts or threads to understand what SRM says.</p><p></p><p>If you are hear to win an argument you can continue, I have no such interest. By the way you are not alone as there are groups requiring that in the guise of equality to men, Sikh women must wear a turban, which is false in terms of any dictate from SRM. </p><p></p><p>In the absence of SRM requiring any of this context, for me it simply is women bullying women; men bullying women; men bullying men and women bullying men with no basis per SRM.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 206158, member: 14194"] Harkiran Kaur ji you can read what you want into it or twist it the way you want it. I am not bullying my way with an argument and neither should you. Be specific and stop picking a fight with fellow well wishing Sikhs who admire your contributions. Show me where I want you to stop wearing a turban, I am simply saying there is lot of flexibility for both men and women and respecting the hair on your head is the context. Nothing more or less. I believe some how you are trying to project that wearing a turban for a Sikh woman is the best thing, it needs to be specially recognized, rewarded and somehow makes this class of women more Sikh than others. I definitely see no basis for it and personally reject that without asking anyone to do it one way or other. A Sikh woman wearing a turban is no different than a Sikh woman not wearing a turban to me. Sikhism must start from inside and shows and shines in both men and woman with or without a turban but only context is per SRM which has given ample flexibility to both. Taken to the extreme the creators of SRM could have even defined the style of a turban, the length of cloth, the color of the cloth, times of the day that it must be worn, how to take it off during washing your hair, how long to keep it off while you are drying your hair, how to tie your hair before tying a turban, can it be starched or not, should it be tied from the start every time you take it off, and so on. Why they did not do that? Because there was a simple context behind it. Respect the hair you are required to keep in the best way possible and a generic turban was mentioned for Sikh men because there was a variety of head dresses worn by men in other religions including caps, skull caps and kullas (permanent turban like dress) and these were ruled out for men with the use of the word turban. The only categories of head dresses of the times for women other than chunnis or nothing at all were veils and these were identified as not proper for women. You stated a context that chunnis were allowed so that more women would get baptized, which is utterly wrong. Chunnis were the way of the times for women requiring no enforcement and accepted for Sikh women in the flexibility provided within SRM. Harkiran Kaur ji this is the context that I understand and that I came to know from all Sikhs I have come to know in my life. Exception to this is Sikhs who want to enforce their ways as the best ways without any support from SRM which includes Sikh women wearing turbans, Sikh men wearing dhumallahs, and so on and requiring every man to only wear certain style of turban. None of this is supported in the SRM and description is pretty simple (no rocket science) to be not requiring so many posts or threads to understand what SRM says. If you are hear to win an argument you can continue, I have no such interest. By the way you are not alone as there are groups requiring that in the guise of equality to men, Sikh women must wear a turban, which is false in terms of any dictate from SRM. In the absence of SRM requiring any of this context, for me it simply is women bullying women; men bullying women; men bullying men and women bullying men with no basis per SRM. Sat Sri Akal [/QUOTE]
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