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Who Is A Saint And How To Recognise Him?
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<blockquote data-quote="dalbirk" data-source="post: 94817" data-attributes="member: 6456"><p><strong>Re: Who is a Saint and How to Recognise him</strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Here is an interesting article I came across , as it is in Punjabi , I'm translating it in English . Kindly forgive my mistakes .</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Satguru Sant Miley Saant(i) Paiyey</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">By- S.Davinder Singh ‘Kharar ‘ Ph-0091-160-2283756.</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Not understanding the difference between a real & fake is human being’s extreme folly & ignorance . Just as brass is presented as gold & glass is presented as diamond by con-men , similarly telling themselves as Real Sants through their employees & followers & thus fleecing innocent people mental , physical , economical & spiritual lives is the trade of fake & hypocrite saints/sadhus . To avoid these , the real sant(saint ) must be found out of answers of these questions :</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Questions:</span></span></strong></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">From Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji (1469-1708 )’s period tell the name any such Gursikh to whose name ‘Sant’ word was prefixed .</span></span></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2. From the time of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur to Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1708-1839 ) time tell the name of any Gursikh to whose name the word ‘Sant’ was prefixed .</span></span></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Which Gursikhs of Gurus were honoured by Guru Sahiban with the title ‘Sant’ ? Tell their names , year & also places ?</span></span></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is often said that Sants makes one Recite Naam(name of God ) . Tell from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji which Sants used to make Recite Naam ?</span></span></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">At the time of delivering Guruship to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji </span></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">which Sants</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> were </span></strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">authorized make Recite Naam to Sikhs , tell their names ?</span></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The so-called Sants who call themselves Sants , who made them Sants & who authorized them to to do so ?</span></span></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Sikhism there is prohibition of worshipping person ( Dehdharis) but if some Dehdhari calls himself Sant or makes his followers call him Sant then what are they ?</span></span></strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Tell the name of Real Sant according to Gurbani ?</span></span></strong></li> </ul><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">In Gurbani whereas ‘Sant’ word is used for Guru, God & Gursikhs , then it has been used at some places for con-Sants ( The thugs of Benaras ) . </span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>Therefore in Gurbani for four meanings , the word Sant has been used . The main reason for mistaking Sant word is due to non-understanding of ‘Gurbani Grammer’ . In Gurbani each single word can be seen in different shapes . Like –Ghar(u) , Ghar & Ghar(i) all three are pronounced same way as Ghar . The maatras affixed are not meaningless but they have some meanings too. </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>See the mention of Sant word in Gurbani :</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>Guru-Sant ( Sant word for Guru )</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>1 </strong>ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਤੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਿਲੈ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਂਤਿ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਈਐ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਿਲਵਿਖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੁਖ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾਟੇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਭਿ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੂਰਿ</span>॥ (1198 )</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong><a href="http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/1198.html" target="_blank">PAGE 1198 - Punjabi Translation of Siri Guru Granth Sahib (Sri Guru Granth Darpan).</a></strong></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>2 . </strong>॥<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਤੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਇਆ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਭੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧਿਆਇਆ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਗਲ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਛਾ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੁੰਨੀਆ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥ (779 )</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong><a href="http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0779.html" target="_blank">PAGE 779 - Punjabi Translation of Siri Guru Granth Sahib (Sri Guru Granth Darpan).</a></strong></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>In these Gurbani Orders the words Satguru Sant(u) & Guru Sant(u) word are carrying (u) in the end but these do not come in pronounciation . This (u) is not extra . In adding (u) in the end points to One Sant or Guru-Being . Thus this word has become singular word .</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>Satguru Sant(u) & Guru Sant(u) word has not come for many persons but Singular word Satguru Sant(u) & Guru Sant(u) has come for ONE GURU only . The meaning of first order is that when we meet Satguru then we get spiritual peace . Satguru removes all the sorrows of humans .</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>The meaning of second order is that who have met Satguru they have started remembering the Name of God . All their wishes have started to come true .</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>God-Sant( Sant word for God )</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">॥<span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਹਾਉ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਗੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋਆ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਿ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਤੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਿਲਾਇਆ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਭੁ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਰ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਿ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਇਆ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> <span style="color: purple">{</span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੰਨਾ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: purple">96-97}</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><a href="http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0096.html" target="_blank"><strong>http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0096.html</strong></a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong>In this line at the end of Gur(i) word (i) is affixed to it .& at the end of Sant(u) word (u) is affixed to T . The alphabets (i) & (u) do not come in </strong></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">pronounciation . Here Gur(i) word means Through Guru . Sant(u) word is singular word which means God because God is One .</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">This Order means that Through Guru I have meant Sant which Means I have met God through Guru .</span></strong></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"></span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'">Contd...</span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dalbirk, post: 94817, member: 6456"] [b]Re: Who is a Saint and How to Recognise him[/b] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Here is an interesting article I came across , as it is in Punjabi , I'm translating it in English . Kindly forgive my mistakes .[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Satguru Sant Miley Saant(i) Paiyey[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]By- S.Davinder Singh ‘Kharar ‘ Ph-0091-160-2283756.[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]Not understanding the difference between a real & fake is human being’s extreme folly & ignorance . Just as brass is presented as gold & glass is presented as diamond by con-men , similarly telling themselves as Real Sants through their employees & followers & thus fleecing innocent people mental , physical , economical & spiritual lives is the trade of fake & hypocrite saints/sadhus . To avoid these , the real sant(saint ) must be found out of answers of these questions :[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]Questions:[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [LIST] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]From Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji (1469-1708 )’s period tell the name any such Gursikh to whose name ‘Sant’ word was prefixed .[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]2. From the time of Baba Banda Singh Bahadur to Maharaja Ranjit Singh (1708-1839 ) time tell the name of any Gursikh to whose name the word ‘Sant’ was prefixed .[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]Which Gursikhs of Gurus were honoured by Guru Sahiban with the title ‘Sant’ ? Tell their names , year & also places ?[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]It is often said that Sants makes one Recite Naam(name of God ) . Tell from Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Guru Gobind Singh Ji which Sants used to make Recite Naam ?[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [*][SIZE=3][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]At the time of delivering Guruship to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]which Sants[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] were [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]authorized make Recite Naam to Sikhs , tell their names ?[/FONT][/B][/SIZE] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]The so-called Sants who call themselves Sants , who made them Sants & who authorized them to to do so ?[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]In Sikhism there is prohibition of worshipping person ( Dehdharis) but if some Dehdhari calls himself Sant or makes his followers call him Sant then what are they ?[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [*][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3]Tell the name of Real Sant according to Gurbani ?[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [/LIST][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]In Gurbani whereas ‘Sant’ word is used for Guru, God & Gursikhs , then it has been used at some places for con-Sants ( The thugs of Benaras ) . [/FONT][/B] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]Therefore in Gurbani for four meanings , the word Sant has been used . The main reason for mistaking Sant word is due to non-understanding of ‘Gurbani Grammer’ . In Gurbani each single word can be seen in different shapes . Like –Ghar(u) , Ghar & Ghar(i) all three are pronounced same way as Ghar . The maatras affixed are not meaningless but they have some meanings too. [/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]See the mention of Sant word in Gurbani :[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]Guru-Sant ( Sant word for Guru )[/B][/FONT] [B]1 [/B]ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ[FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਤੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮਿਲੈ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਂਤਿ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਈਐ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਿਲਵਿਖ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਦੁਖ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾਟੇ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਭਿ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਦੂਰਿ[/FONT]॥ (1198 ) [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B][URL="http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/1198.html"]PAGE 1198 - Punjabi Translation of Siri Guru Granth Sahib (Sri Guru Granth Darpan).[/URL][/B][/FONT] [B]2 . [/B]॥[FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਤੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਇਆ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਭੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਧਿਆਇਆ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਗਲ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਇਛਾ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪੁੰਨੀਆ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥ (779 )[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B][URL="http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0779.html"]PAGE 779 - Punjabi Translation of Siri Guru Granth Sahib (Sri Guru Granth Darpan).[/URL][/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]In these Gurbani Orders the words Satguru Sant(u) & Guru Sant(u) word are carrying (u) in the end but these do not come in pronounciation . This (u) is not extra . In adding (u) in the end points to One Sant or Guru-Being . Thus this word has become singular word .[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]Satguru Sant(u) & Guru Sant(u) word has not come for many persons but Singular word Satguru Sant(u) & Guru Sant(u) has come for ONE GURU only . The meaning of first order is that when we meet Satguru then we get spiritual peace . Satguru removes all the sorrows of humans .[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]The meaning of second order is that who have met Satguru they have started remembering the Name of God . All their wishes have started to come true .[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]God-Sant( Sant word for God )[/B][/FONT] ॥[FONT=Raavi]੧॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਗੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹੋਆ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਿ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਤੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮਿਲਾਇਆ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਭੁ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਅਬਿਨਾਸੀ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਘਰ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਿ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਇਆ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [COLOR=purple]{[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਪੰਨਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=purple]96-97}[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][URL="http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0096.html"][B]http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0096.html[/B][/URL][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B]In this line at the end of Gur(i) word (i) is affixed to it .& at the end of Sant(u) word (u) is affixed to T . The alphabets (i) & (u) do not come in [/B][/FONT][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]pronounciation . Here Gur(i) word means Through Guru . Sant(u) word is singular word which means God because God is One .[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]This Order means that Through Guru I have meant Sant which Means I have met God through Guru .[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][/FONT][/B] [/FONT][/FONT] [B][FONT=Arial Unicode MS]Contd...[/FONT][/B] [/QUOTE]
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