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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="charanjit" data-source="post: 183178" data-attributes="member: 5693"><p>Investigation into the word Sikh is very much required. It appears to me to me to be more than a noun more than an object. Perhaps one should look at its history and it's use and how it came to be used as a noun. One should also look as to how it was used by the gurus was it ever intended to mean a person who is a follower? What is the context in which the word is used?*</p><p></p><p></p><p>The word gur Sikh should also be examined further. Some seem to think it refers to a Sikh of the gurus. If that is so then his learning is limited *to the teachings of the guru and does not encompass the whole. You may argue that the gurus teachings are whole and encompass everything but by the faculties or the obvious faculties you have you can only learn according to your experience and experience is always limited.*</p><p></p><p>Gursikh may also mean he himself who is the guru and also the learner. I think this is the correct and better use for the word and moreso the intended use for Sikhs. That you yourself are the guru which the Sikh gurus also point towards. The gurus are essentially saying that you are a light unto yourself. Only you can find your own light and light your own path.*</p><p></p><p>Angad did not need to follow nanak I expect he was enlightened before this. And perhaps the same goes for a number of the gurus who may have been enlightened before their association with the preceding guru. (They may not necessarily have needed the gurus word to find truth. So therefore is it really needed and was it intended to be needed as such a crutch which again is a burden to carry. Then how are you to walk? Perhaps we dropped the crutches we would find out for ourselves whether we can walk or not. It appears that as soon as we enter life our parents pass on their crutches to us perhaps we should never take these in the first place and truly learn for ourselves).</p><p></p><p>Similarly Sikhs should think and act the same. Be a gursikh. Himself the guru and disciple.*</p><p></p><p>Sikhism and the texts which come under the umbrella of Sikhism should not be viewed as the be all and end all.*</p><p></p><p>An unburdened mind a mind not burdened with tradition is full of greater potential than the one full of tradition and it's limitations. Just as Nanak dropped everything all his past and tradition to say there is no mussalman or Hindu. Similarly Sikhs or those that are truly learners need to drop it all to find out for themselves and truly be gursikh the teacher and disciple a light into himself!</p><p></p><p>I'm grateful to Avika for the art analogy. The gurus may surely be asking you to paint a picture and make some art. However the technique appears to be given to you. You have trapped yourself within the limitations offered. In that sense any picture painted will only be an imitation. It will always be second hand. The technique itself is the limiting factor. Can something really beautiful be created from a technique given by another?*</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Charanjit</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="charanjit, post: 183178, member: 5693"] Investigation into the word Sikh is very much required. It appears to me to me to be more than a noun more than an object. Perhaps one should look at its history and it's use and how it came to be used as a noun. One should also look as to how it was used by the gurus was it ever intended to mean a person who is a follower? What is the context in which the word is used?* The word gur Sikh should also be examined further. Some seem to think it refers to a Sikh of the gurus. If that is so then his learning is limited *to the teachings of the guru and does not encompass the whole. You may argue that the gurus teachings are whole and encompass everything but by the faculties or the obvious faculties you have you can only learn according to your experience and experience is always limited.* Gursikh may also mean he himself who is the guru and also the learner. I think this is the correct and better use for the word and moreso the intended use for Sikhs. That you yourself are the guru which the Sikh gurus also point towards. The gurus are essentially saying that you are a light unto yourself. Only you can find your own light and light your own path.* Angad did not need to follow nanak I expect he was enlightened before this. And perhaps the same goes for a number of the gurus who may have been enlightened before their association with the preceding guru. (They may not necessarily have needed the gurus word to find truth. So therefore is it really needed and was it intended to be needed as such a crutch which again is a burden to carry. Then how are you to walk? Perhaps we dropped the crutches we would find out for ourselves whether we can walk or not. It appears that as soon as we enter life our parents pass on their crutches to us perhaps we should never take these in the first place and truly learn for ourselves). Similarly Sikhs should think and act the same. Be a gursikh. Himself the guru and disciple.* Sikhism and the texts which come under the umbrella of Sikhism should not be viewed as the be all and end all.* An unburdened mind a mind not burdened with tradition is full of greater potential than the one full of tradition and it's limitations. Just as Nanak dropped everything all his past and tradition to say there is no mussalman or Hindu. Similarly Sikhs or those that are truly learners need to drop it all to find out for themselves and truly be gursikh the teacher and disciple a light into himself! I'm grateful to Avika for the art analogy. The gurus may surely be asking you to paint a picture and make some art. However the technique appears to be given to you. You have trapped yourself within the limitations offered. In that sense any picture painted will only be an imitation. It will always be second hand. The technique itself is the limiting factor. Can something really beautiful be created from a technique given by another?* Regards Charanjit [/QUOTE]
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