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Gurbani (14-53)
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Pahre (74-78)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
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Bara Maha (133-136)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
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Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
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Thintteen (343-344)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
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Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
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Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
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Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="thecoopes" data-source="post: 5265" data-attributes="member: 844"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dear <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Jatinder Singh</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Thanks for your explanation in respect to the Sikh religion. While I find your way of belief to be more palatable than any of the religions I have looked at so far, I refer to people who believe that they alone have the answers and everyone else is dammed or an infidel [Christian and Islamic teachings that they alone are the way!]</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I still have major problems with any of mankind’s understanding of a God.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> The forum asked the question. “What would be your ideal religion”? </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I would at this time say. <strong>“One without god”.</strong></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The reasons are these:</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">No matter what you believe today including Sikhism, all teachings have been handed down and are interpreted by the individual or group and therefore are subject to someone’s understanding of what they believe this god person wants them to do. So we have the spectre of Muslims blowing themselves up because they believe that this is what God wants and this piece below that I copied from a Sikh website to show you that Sikh’s too are subject to the same problems.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333399"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Wahe Guru Ji ka Khlasa Wahe guru Ji Ki Fateh Is this how we pay our respect to Guru Arjun Dev Ji's on this Saheedee Gurpurb?????? My family and I are outraged at the vicious attack made on women and Children at Gurdwara Guru Hargobind Sahib in Coventry. How can 30 plus men, with swords, daggers, hammers, screw drivers and shields come in start hacking women and children???? Many of the attackers were dressed in the Khalsa's Bahnna wearing round turbans and the 5 K's. Many were seen removing them as the poice came in. After detailed investigations and taking to eye witnesses, it is clear that this was all organised by outside agencies. What was the Chairman of the Indian Congress Party doing there, when he has never ever been to the Gurdwara?? What were other members ( commitee members) of the Indian Community Centre doing there weilding naked swords doing at the Temple, when they have never been there previously? What were members of the Babar Khalsa doing with these people?? We all know the aftermath following 1984 in India, but when these things start to happen in the UK, what are we to do??? Many sikhs came to the UK to avoid torture in India, but now where do they and their children go? What are YOU going to do??? Khalsa ji.....do not turn your back to this, bad things only happen when good people walk away. We are all RESPONSIBLE!!!</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2.</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Good people are good whether they are Sikh, Muslim, Christian, or any of the pantheon of religions. They are equally bad no matter what religion they are in. The religion has not been the reason for being good, indeed what would be the answer if you asked any Sikh this question. “Are you a good person because you are a Sikh or is it that you feel that it is right to be good”? </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3.</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Why is it that in any religion and I assume it to be true of the Sikh faith, that the way to find this god person is one of extreme difficulty! Hence we have all the confused faiths of the world pointing in different directions to what they believe is the way. (I take your point though that the Sikh faith does not believe that they are the sole custodians of the eternal truth and all others are dammed) but it still remains that to find God is very hard and if God isn like a father to us in the same manner that you and I could be fathers then why would he make it so difficult? You wouldn’t do that to your children who were looking for you would you?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">4.</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Do you think the world would be a better place if all were Sikh?</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">NB: I find that all having the name Singh would lend itself to feeling part of a universal brotherhood that should make it difficult to commit a wrong against your brother?</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Very best wishes </span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">John Singh! No sorry got carried away there John Cooper</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">NB: Would I be allowed to visit a Sikh temple? There's one near where I work in Dudley.:roll: </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thecoopes, post: 5265, member: 844"] [size=3][font=Arial]Dear [color=black][font=Arial]Jatinder Singh[/font][/color][/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial] Thanks for your explanation in respect to the Sikh religion. While I find your way of belief to be more palatable than any of the religions I have looked at so far, I refer to people who believe that they alone have the answers and everyone else is dammed or an infidel [Christian and Islamic teachings that they alone are the way!][/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [font=Arial][size=3]I still have major problems with any of mankind’s understanding of a God.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial] The forum asked the question. “What would be your ideal religion”? [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial]I would at this time say. [b]“One without god”.[/b][/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [font=Arial][size=3]The reasons are these:[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [font=Arial][size=3]1.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3]No matter what you believe today including Sikhism, all teachings have been handed down and are interpreted by the individual or group and therefore are subject to someone’s understanding of what they believe this god person wants them to do. So we have the spectre of Muslims blowing themselves up because they believe that this is what God wants and this piece below that I copied from a Sikh website to show you that Sikh’s too are subject to the same problems.[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [color=#333399][font=Arial][size=3][font=Arial]Wahe Guru Ji ka Khlasa Wahe guru Ji Ki Fateh Is this how we pay our respect to Guru Arjun Dev Ji's on this Saheedee Gurpurb?????? My family and I are outraged at the vicious attack made on women and Children at Gurdwara Guru Hargobind Sahib in Coventry. How can 30 plus men, with swords, daggers, hammers, screw drivers and shields come in start hacking women and children???? Many of the attackers were dressed in the Khalsa's Bahnna wearing round turbans and the 5 K's. Many were seen removing them as the poice came in. After detailed investigations and taking to eye witnesses, it is clear that this was all organised by outside agencies. What was the Chairman of the Indian Congress Party doing there, when he has never ever been to the Gurdwara?? What were other members ( commitee members) of the Indian Community Centre doing there weilding naked swords doing at the Temple, when they have never been there previously? What were members of the Babar Khalsa doing with these people?? We all know the aftermath following 1984 in India, but when these things start to happen in the UK, what are we to do??? Many sikhs came to the UK to avoid torture in India, but now where do they and their children go? What are YOU going to do??? Khalsa ji.....do not turn your back to this, bad things only happen when good people walk away. We are all RESPONSIBLE!!![/font][/size][/font][/color] [color=#333399][font=Arial][size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size][/font][/color] [font=Arial][size=3]2.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3]Good people are good whether they are Sikh, Muslim, Christian, or any of the pantheon of religions. They are equally bad no matter what religion they are in. The religion has not been the reason for being good, indeed what would be the answer if you asked any Sikh this question. “Are you a good person because you are a Sikh or is it that you feel that it is right to be good”? [/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3]3.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3]Why is it that in any religion and I assume it to be true of the Sikh faith, that the way to find this god person is one of extreme difficulty! Hence we have all the confused faiths of the world pointing in different directions to what they believe is the way. (I take your point though that the Sikh faith does not believe that they are the sole custodians of the eternal truth and all others are dammed) but it still remains that to find God is very hard and if God isn like a father to us in the same manner that you and I could be fathers then why would he make it so difficult? You wouldn’t do that to your children who were looking for you would you?[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3]4.[/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3]Do you think the world would be a better place if all were Sikh?[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [font=Arial][size=3]NB: I find that all having the name Singh would lend itself to feeling part of a universal brotherhood that should make it difficult to commit a wrong against your brother?[/size][/font] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [font=Arial][size=3]Very best wishes [/size][/font] [size=3][font=Arial] [/font][/size] [font=Arial]John Singh! No sorry got carried away there John Cooper[/font] [font=Arial]NB: Would I be allowed to visit a Sikh temple? There's one near where I work in Dudley.:roll: [/font] [/QUOTE]
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