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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 202879" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>don't crack up, try thinking instead</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>this, like most of what you write, makes little sense to me, you agree your spoilt, but now you say that your guru has lots of money and resources, so you will continue to be spoilt, I know that to you, I am an atheist manmukh, however, I see little of what I know to be Sikhi in this statement, it sounds more like Islam, where you are promised paradise and riches beyond belief, in Sikhi, such means nothing, would you care to comment on this?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I like your dad, you should try listening to him more often when you are not asking him for things.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I feel sorry for you, your going to get a fall, a big one, and your deity will also let you down, and then you will have nothing, your faith is only as secure as long as the goods keep coming, in fact, you have no faith, if you did, you would accept and not keep asking for little miracles and signs. When it all goes wrong, and it will, we will deal with it at that point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>you see the trouble with looking out for English translations of Bani, is that you lose the whole gist of the shabad, firstly, just for a laugh, lets quote the other translation,</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਧਨਾਸਰੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮਹਲਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AB" target="_blank">੫</a>॥</p><p></p><p>धनासरी महला ५ ॥</p><p></p><p>Ḏẖanāsrī mėhlā 5.</p><p></p><p>Dhanasri 5th Guru.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਜਿਸ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਕਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਨੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਮਨੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਧਨੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸਭੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਤਿਸ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਕਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਸੋਈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%98%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸੁਘੜੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਸੁਜਾਨੀ</a>॥</p><p></p><p>जिस का तनु मनु धनु सभु तिस का सोई सुघड़ु सुजानी ॥</p><p></p><p>Jis kā ṯan man ḏẖan sabẖ ṯis kā so▫ī sugẖaṛ sujānī.</p><p></p><p>He alone is wise and Omniscient to whom belong our body, soul and wealth and His is the entire universe.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਹੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਸੁਣਿਆ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਦੁਖੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸੁਖੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਮੇਰਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਤਉ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬਿਧਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨੀਕੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਖਟਾਨੀ</a>॥੧॥</p><p></p><p>तिन ही सुणिआ दुखु सुखु मेरा तउ बिधि नीकी खटानी ॥१॥</p><p></p><p>Ŧin hī suṇi▫ā ḏukẖ sukẖ merā ṯa▫o biḏẖ nīkī kẖatānī. ||1||</p><p></p><p>When He hears my weal and woe, it is then that my condition takes a turn for the better.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85" target="_blank">ਜੀਅ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਕੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਏਕੈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਹੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਪਹਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਮਾਨੀ</a>॥</p><p></p><p>जीअ की एकै ही पहि मानी ॥</p><p></p><p>Jī▫a kī ekai hī pėh mānī.</p><p></p><p>My mind is satisfied with my Lord alone.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਅਵਰਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਜਤਨ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਰਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਰਹੇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਬਹੁਤੇਰੇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਿਲੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਹੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕੀਮਤਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਜਾਨੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5" target="_blank">॥</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਰਹਾਉ</a>॥</p><p></p><p>अवरि जतन करि रहे बहुतेरे तिन तिलु नही कीमति जानी ॥ रहाउ ॥</p><p></p><p>Avar jaṯan kar rahe bahuṯere ṯin ṯil nahī kīmaṯ jānī. Rahā▫o.</p><p></p><p>Many other efforts people have make, but I value them not even a bit. Pause.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਾਮੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਿਰਮੋਲਕੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਹੀਰਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਦੀਨੋ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਮੰਤਾਨੀ</a>॥</p><p></p><p>अम्रित नामु निरमोलकु हीरा गुरि दीनो मंतानी ॥</p><p></p><p>Amriṯ nām nirmolak hīrā gur ḏīno manṯānī.</p><p></p><p>The Nectar Name is the priceless gem. The Guru has given me this piece of advice.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਡਿਗੈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਡੋਲੈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਦ੍ਰਿੜੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਰਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਰਹਿਓ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਪੂਰਨ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਹੋਇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਨੀ</a>॥੨॥</p><p></p><p>डिगै न डोलै द्रिड़ु करि रहिओ पूरन होइ त्रिपतानी ॥२॥</p><p></p><p>Digai na dolai ḏariṛ kar rahi▫o pūran ho▫e ṯaripṯānī. ||2||</p><p></p><p>The (Name)is neither lost nor it wavers, rather remains stable, and my soul is perfectly satiated with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਓਇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A" target="_blank">ਬੀਚ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਹਮ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%AE" target="_blank">ਤੁਮ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਕਛੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਹੋਤੇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਤਿਨ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਕੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਬਾਤ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਬਿਲਾਨੀ</a>॥</p><p></p><p>ओइ जु बीच हम तुम कछु होते तिन की बात बिलानी ॥</p><p></p><p>O▫e jo bīcẖ ham ṯum kacẖẖ hoṯe ṯin kī bāṯ bilānī.</p><p></p><p>The vices, which tore me from Thee, O Lord, their role is ended now.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਅਲੰਕਾਰ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਮਿਲਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਥੈਲੀ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਹੋਈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਹੈ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਤਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਤੇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਕਨਿਕ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਵਖਾਨੀ</a>॥੩॥</p><p></p><p>अलंकार मिलि थैली होई है ता ते कनिक वखानी ॥३॥</p><p></p><p>Alankār mil thailī ho▫ī hai ṯā ṯe kanik vakẖānī. ||3||</p><p></p><p>When gold ornaments melt into a lump, even then, they are said to be nothing but gold.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਓ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਜੋਤਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%9C" target="_blank">ਸਹਜ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96" target="_blank">ਸੁਖ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਸੋਭਾ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਬਾਜੇ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank">ਅਨਹਤ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਬਾਨੀ</a>॥</p><p></p><p>प्रगटिओ जोति सहज सुख सोभा बाजे अनहत बानी ॥</p><p></p><p>Pargati▫o joṯ sahj sukẖ sobẖā bāje anhaṯ bānī.</p><p></p><p>The diving light has become manifest unto me, I am filled with poise, peace and Lord's praise, and celestial strain rings within me.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਕਹੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank">ਨਿਹਚਲ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਘਰੁ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਬਾਧਿਓ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਿ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਕੀਓ</a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਬੰਧਾਨੀ</a>॥੪॥੫॥</p><p></p><p>कहु नानक निहचल घरु बाधिओ गुरि कीओ बंधानी ॥४॥५॥</p><p></p><p>Kaho Nānak nihcẖal gẖar bāḏẖi▫o gur kī▫o banḏẖānī. ||4||5||</p><p></p><p>Says Nanak, I have built an eternal mansion for myself and the Guru has constructed it.</p><p></p><p>now, to me, this shabad is about being in a state of bliss and not needing anything wordly other than the grace bestowed by Ek Ong Kar, rather than fulfilling wishes and requests, could you give your interpretation of the shabad?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>in all honesty, no, it is not amusing, its scary</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>faith is not about asking things from a deity</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>you mean like religion was before Guru Nanakji came along and started asking a load of awkward questions? throwing water at the sun fits in with your definition, care to explain further?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>because all you write about is yourself, your problems and how your deity helps you with them, I know your selfish, you know your selfish, what else do you call someone that does seva for the sole purpose of getting something back?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>so why get angry at Hitler mocking meditation? it is after all god speaking? Is a man raping a woman in fact god raping a woman? do explain more about this breath taking philosophy please.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>which superstitions do you believe in?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>oh that's ok then!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course you don't, I already know this, we hate in others what we hate in ourselves, this is not a debate between me and you, its a debate between you and you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 202879, member: 14641"] don't crack up, try thinking instead this, like most of what you write, makes little sense to me, you agree your spoilt, but now you say that your guru has lots of money and resources, so you will continue to be spoilt, I know that to you, I am an atheist manmukh, however, I see little of what I know to be Sikhi in this statement, it sounds more like Islam, where you are promised paradise and riches beyond belief, in Sikhi, such means nothing, would you care to comment on this? I like your dad, you should try listening to him more often when you are not asking him for things. I feel sorry for you, your going to get a fall, a big one, and your deity will also let you down, and then you will have nothing, your faith is only as secure as long as the goods keep coming, in fact, you have no faith, if you did, you would accept and not keep asking for little miracles and signs. When it all goes wrong, and it will, we will deal with it at that point. you see the trouble with looking out for English translations of Bani, is that you lose the whole gist of the shabad, firstly, just for a laugh, lets quote the other translation, [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80']ਧਨਾਸਰੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE']ਮਹਲਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A9%AB']੫[/URL]॥ धनासरी महला ५ ॥ Ḏẖanāsrī mėhlā 5. Dhanasri 5th Guru. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8']ਜਿਸ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE']ਕਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਤਨੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਮਨੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਧਨੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81']ਸਭੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8']ਤਿਸ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE']ਕਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88']ਸੋਈ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%98%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%81']ਸੁਘੜੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਸੁਜਾਨੀ[/URL]॥ जिस का तनु मनु धनु सभु तिस का सोई सुघड़ु सुजानी ॥ Jis kā ṯan man ḏẖan sabẖ ṯis kā so▫ī sugẖaṛ sujānī. He alone is wise and Omniscient to whom belong our body, soul and wealth and His is the entire universe. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8']ਤਿਨ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80']ਹੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86']ਸੁਣਿਆ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81']ਦੁਖੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%81']ਸੁਖੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE']ਮੇਰਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%89']ਤਉ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF']ਬਿਧਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80']ਨੀਕੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਖਟਾਨੀ[/URL]॥੧॥ तिन ही सुणिआ दुखु सुखु मेरा तउ बिधि नीकी खटानी ॥१॥ Ŧin hī suṇi▫ā ḏukẖ sukẖ merā ṯa▫o biḏẖ nīkī kẖatānī. ||1|| When He hears my weal and woe, it is then that my condition takes a turn for the better. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85']ਜੀਅ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80']ਕੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88']ਏਕੈ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80']ਹੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF']ਪਹਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਮਾਨੀ[/URL]॥ जीअ की एकै ही पहि मानी ॥ Jī▫a kī ekai hī pėh mānī. My mind is satisfied with my Lord alone. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਅਵਰਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A8']ਜਤਨ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਕਰਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%87']ਰਹੇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87']ਬਹੁਤੇਰੇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8']ਤਿਨ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81']ਤਿਲੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80']ਨਹੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF']ਕੀਮਤਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਜਾਨੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5']॥[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89']ਰਹਾਉ[/URL]॥ अवरि जतन करि रहे बहुतेरे तिन तिलु नही कीमति जानी ॥ रहाउ ॥ Avar jaṯan kar rahe bahuṯere ṯin ṯil nahī kīmaṯ jānī. Rahā▫o. Many other efforts people have make, but I value them not even a bit. Pause. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4']ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81']ਨਾਮੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81']ਨਿਰਮੋਲਕੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE']ਹੀਰਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਗੁਰਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%8B']ਦੀਨੋ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਮੰਤਾਨੀ[/URL]॥ अम्रित नामु निरमोलकु हीरा गुरि दीनो मंतानी ॥ Amriṯ nām nirmolak hīrā gur ḏīno manṯānī. The Nectar Name is the priceless gem. The Guru has given me this piece of advice. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%88']ਡਿਗੈ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8']ਨ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%88']ਡੋਲੈ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%81']ਦ੍ਰਿੜੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਕਰਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93']ਰਹਿਓ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8']ਪੂਰਨ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%87']ਹੋਇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਨੀ[/URL]॥੨॥ डिगै न डोलै द्रिड़ु करि रहिओ पूरन होइ त्रिपतानी ॥२॥ Digai na dolai ḏariṛ kar rahi▫o pūran ho▫e ṯaripṯānī. ||2|| The (Name)is neither lost nor it wavers, rather remains stable, and my soul is perfectly satiated with it. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%93%E0%A8%87']ਓਇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81']ਜੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A']ਬੀਚ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%AE']ਹਮ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%AE']ਤੁਮ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81']ਕਛੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87']ਹੋਤੇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8']ਤਿਨ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80']ਕੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4']ਬਾਤ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਬਿਲਾਨੀ[/URL]॥ ओइ जु बीच हम तुम कछु होते तिन की बात बिलानी ॥ O▫e jo bīcẖ ham ṯum kacẖẖ hoṯe ṯin kī bāṯ bilānī. The vices, which tore me from Thee, O Lord, their role is ended now. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0']ਅਲੰਕਾਰ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF']ਮਿਲਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A5%E0%A9%88%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%80']ਥੈਲੀ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%88']ਹੋਈ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%88']ਹੈ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE']ਤਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%87']ਤੇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95']ਕਨਿਕ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਵਖਾਨੀ[/URL]॥੩॥ अलंकार मिलि थैली होई है ता ते कनिक वखानी ॥३॥ Alankār mil thailī ho▫ī hai ṯā ṯe kanik vakẖānī. ||3|| When gold ornaments melt into a lump, even then, they are said to be nothing but gold. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93']ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਓ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF']ਜੋਤਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%9C']ਸਹਜ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96']ਸੁਖ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE']ਸੋਭਾ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87']ਬਾਜੇ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A4']ਅਨਹਤ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਬਾਨੀ[/URL]॥ प्रगटिओ जोति सहज सुख सोभा बाजे अनहत बानी ॥ Pargati▫o joṯ sahj sukẖ sobẖā bāje anhaṯ bānī. The diving light has become manifest unto me, I am filled with poise, peace and Lord's praise, and celestial strain rings within me. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਕਹੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95']ਨਾਨਕ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B2']ਨਿਹਚਲ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81']ਘਰੁ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93']ਬਾਧਿਓ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਗੁਰਿ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%93']ਕੀਓ[/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਬੰਧਾਨੀ[/URL]॥੪॥੫॥ कहु नानक निहचल घरु बाधिओ गुरि कीओ बंधानी ॥४॥५॥ Kaho Nānak nihcẖal gẖar bāḏẖi▫o gur kī▫o banḏẖānī. ||4||5|| Says Nanak, I have built an eternal mansion for myself and the Guru has constructed it. now, to me, this shabad is about being in a state of bliss and not needing anything wordly other than the grace bestowed by Ek Ong Kar, rather than fulfilling wishes and requests, could you give your interpretation of the shabad? in all honesty, no, it is not amusing, its scary faith is not about asking things from a deity you mean like religion was before Guru Nanakji came along and started asking a load of awkward questions? throwing water at the sun fits in with your definition, care to explain further? because all you write about is yourself, your problems and how your deity helps you with them, I know your selfish, you know your selfish, what else do you call someone that does seva for the sole purpose of getting something back? so why get angry at Hitler mocking meditation? it is after all god speaking? Is a man raping a woman in fact god raping a woman? do explain more about this breath taking philosophy please. which superstitions do you believe in? oh that's ok then! Of course you don't, I already know this, we hate in others what we hate in ourselves, this is not a debate between me and you, its a debate between you and you. [/QUOTE]
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