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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Caspian" data-source="post: 138322" data-attributes="member: 5962"><p>Thats a good point and a great question. I thought I'd start off by clarifying the definition of dogma.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Dogma</strong> is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, or by extension by some other group or organization. It is authoratative and not to be disputed, doubted, or diverged from, by the practioner or believers. - Wikipedia</p><p></p><p>Now, I would say that—originally, Sikhism, in its early stages certainly did not contain any dogma. But as sikhi grew and evolved over the course of the 10 guru's it has become dogmatic in one of two ways. The first way is by fault of the general public who take stories (i like to pick on the ganga sagar and baba deep singhs beheading) and revere them to be factual and undisputable even though they simply could not have happened. The second is through direct introduction of dogma by the gurus themselves.</p><p></p><p>(im going to use wikipedia again—so if the quote happens to be wrong or taken out of context, I apologise in advance and would eagerly await for someone to correct me with the right quote)</p><p></p><p>Guru Gobind Singh Ji goes on to create "Sikhism" (essentially making it final). He introduces the 5 K's and with respect to kesh he goes on to say at the amrit sanchar in 1699:</p><p></p><p>"My Sikh shall not use the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor" target="_blank">razor</a>. For him the use of razor or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaving" target="_blank">shaving</a> the chin shall be as sinful as incest. For the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalsa" target="_blank">Khalsa</a> such a symbol is prescribed so that his Sikhs can classified as pure"</p><p></p><p>equating cutting or trimming the hair to the act of incest is essentially condemning it to the position where no sikh can question it. (after all, who would question that incest is not immoral?).</p><p></p><p>In this form, the dogma was primarily introduced by the 10th guru. </p><p></p><p>Often times, I will here sikhs compare their religion to that of the relationship between a student and teacher. The teacher being the guru's. But this is quite a misnomer (almost on par with islam calling itself the religion of equality—it isnt [although, incidently, "the religion of equality" is a more apt title for sikhism]). In any student/teacher relationship there is always a means by where the pupil can question the teacher. Guru Nanak himself questioned many of practices of his time that he considred useless as well. </p><p></p><p>Even if one is to concede, that questioning is more then welcome in sikhism (although, i have on numerous occasions, begged to differ. In general, sikh communities dont allow for dissenting voices) and sikh communities. Questioning the neccesaties of the 5 k's have yet to provide sound logical reasoning as Kamala has said before me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caspian, post: 138322, member: 5962"] Thats a good point and a great question. I thought I'd start off by clarifying the definition of dogma. [B] Dogma[/B] is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, or by extension by some other group or organization. It is authoratative and not to be disputed, doubted, or diverged from, by the practioner or believers. - Wikipedia Now, I would say that—originally, Sikhism, in its early stages certainly did not contain any dogma. But as sikhi grew and evolved over the course of the 10 guru's it has become dogmatic in one of two ways. The first way is by fault of the general public who take stories (i like to pick on the ganga sagar and baba deep singhs beheading) and revere them to be factual and undisputable even though they simply could not have happened. The second is through direct introduction of dogma by the gurus themselves. (im going to use wikipedia again—so if the quote happens to be wrong or taken out of context, I apologise in advance and would eagerly await for someone to correct me with the right quote) Guru Gobind Singh Ji goes on to create "Sikhism" (essentially making it final). He introduces the 5 K's and with respect to kesh he goes on to say at the amrit sanchar in 1699: "My Sikh shall not use the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razor"]razor[/url]. For him the use of razor or [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaving"]shaving[/url] the chin shall be as sinful as incest. For the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalsa"]Khalsa[/url] such a symbol is prescribed so that his Sikhs can classified as pure" equating cutting or trimming the hair to the act of incest is essentially condemning it to the position where no sikh can question it. (after all, who would question that incest is not immoral?). In this form, the dogma was primarily introduced by the 10th guru. Often times, I will here sikhs compare their religion to that of the relationship between a student and teacher. The teacher being the guru's. But this is quite a misnomer (almost on par with islam calling itself the religion of equality—it isnt [although, incidently, "the religion of equality" is a more apt title for sikhism]). In any student/teacher relationship there is always a means by where the pupil can question the teacher. Guru Nanak himself questioned many of practices of his time that he considred useless as well. Even if one is to concede, that questioning is more then welcome in sikhism (although, i have on numerous occasions, begged to differ. In general, sikh communities dont allow for dissenting voices) and sikh communities. Questioning the neccesaties of the 5 k's have yet to provide sound logical reasoning as Kamala has said before me. [/QUOTE]
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