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What Is The Role Of Sants In The Khalsa Panth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 82067" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p>aad ji,</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Your answer is totally in alignment with the sikh philosophy and we all have this kind of concept. Your answer thus is thought provoking. All that is being put forward is as to who is the 'saint' that has found such a high position that Guru Sahibs have stated this also:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">yqI pRBU jnweI rsnw qyq BnI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-4, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> As much as God has revealed to us, that much we can speak with our tongues.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">Anjwnq jo syvY qyqI nh jwie gnI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-4, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Those unknown ones who serve You cannot be counted</span>.</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">Aivgq Agnq AQwh Twkur sgl mMJy bwhrw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-4, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Imperishable, incalculable, and unfathomable is the Lord and Master; He is everywhere, inside and out.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">srb jwick eyku dwqw nh dUir sMgI jwhrw ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-5, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> We are all beggars, He is the One and only Giver; He is not far away, but is with us, ever-present.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">vis Bgq QIAw imly jIAw qw kI aupmw ikq gnI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-5, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> He is in the power of His devotees; those whose souls are united with Him - how can their praises be sung?</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">iehu dwnu mwnu nwnku pwey sIsu swDh Dir crnI ]4]2]5] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-6, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue">May Nanak receive this gift and honor, of placing his head on the feet of the Holy Saints. </span></em>||4||2||5||[/FONT]</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> Further the following line is again suggestive of the same concept.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> Awid AMiq byAMq Kojih sunI auDrn sMqsMg ibDy ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(456-16, Awsw, mÚ 5)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p>In the beginning and in the end, countless are those who seek the Lord. I have heard that the<em><span style="color: Blue"> Society of the Saints</span></em> is the way to salvation.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">One has to bring reconciliation to this. Had it not been required to be so ,there would not have been any inclusion of these satar/lines/tuks in Bani. But since we have it in Bani ;it should connote a specific meaning.I do not have any answer for this and would not expect others to have ready made answer if the 'saint' so spoken is reflective of any individual or otherwise. 'Saint' may be reflective of 'sangat' in entirety as well. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">But it is only a conjecture and may not be correct.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Let us also have a look at the following.It also states clearly that Saint has to be assigned some specific meaning like we have the concept of Gurmukh and manmukh.</span></p><p>[/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">hir AMimRq bUMd suhwvxI imil swDU pIvxhwru ] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(134-12, mwJ, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">The drops of the Lord's Nectar are so beautiful! <span style="color: Blue">Meeting the Holy Saint, we drink these in.</span></span></p><p></p><p>And Further :</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span>[/FONT] <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">swDu imlY pUrb sMjog ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(153-2, gauVI, mÚ 1)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">One meets the Holy Saint only through perfect destiny.</span></p><p> </p><p>And Further:</p><p></p><p>[/FONT] <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">kir syvw sMqw AMimRqu muiK pwhw jIau ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(173-3, gauVI mwJ, mÚ 4)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: blue">Let's serve the Saints[/FONT]</span>, and drink in the Ambrosial Nectar[/FONT]</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">You would agree with me that Saint is spread almost at many places in Gurbani.We have to exclude the saint as the one that we consider in normal parlance. Saint has to be a realized soul who has been blessed by the Lord Himself. Such a person would be a Brahmgyani and we have the attributes of Brahmgyani in Sukhmani sahib [Gaudi]</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Brahmgyani has been stated to be almost a GOd and if we take this term in that sense some questions can stand to rest. Nonetheless , it requires a careful consideration.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">May be Later when the haziness is gone.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Regards</span></p><p>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 82067, member: 5290"] aad ji, [FONT=Book Antiqua]Your answer is totally in alignment with the sikh philosophy and we all have this kind of concept. Your answer thus is thought provoking. All that is being put forward is as to who is the 'saint' that has found such a high position that Guru Sahibs have stated this also: [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]yqI pRBU jnweI rsnw qyq BnI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-4, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] As much as God has revealed to us, that much we can speak with our tongues.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]Anjwnq jo syvY qyqI nh jwie gnI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-4, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Those unknown ones who serve You cannot be counted[/FONT]. [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] Aivgq Agnq AQwh Twkur sgl mMJy bwhrw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-4, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Imperishable, incalculable, and unfathomable is the Lord and Master; He is everywhere, inside and out.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] srb jwick eyku dwqw nh dUir sMgI jwhrw ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-5, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] We are all beggars, He is the One and only Giver; He is not far away, but is with us, ever-present.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] vis Bgq QIAw imly jIAw qw kI aupmw ikq gnI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-5, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] He is in the power of His devotees; those whose souls are united with Him - how can their praises be sung?[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] iehu dwnu mwnu nwnku pwey sIsu swDh Dir crnI ]4]2]5] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-6, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [I][COLOR=Blue]May Nanak receive this gift and honor, of placing his head on the feet of the Holy Saints. [/COLOR][/I]||4||2||5||[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] Further the following line is again suggestive of the same concept.[/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] Awid AMiq byAMq Kojih sunI auDrn sMqsMg ibDy ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](456-16, Awsw, mÚ 5)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] In the beginning and in the end, countless are those who seek the Lord. I have heard that the[I][COLOR=Blue] Society of the Saints[/COLOR][/I] is the way to salvation. [FONT=Book Antiqua]One has to bring reconciliation to this. Had it not been required to be so ,there would not have been any inclusion of these satar/lines/tuks in Bani. But since we have it in Bani ;it should connote a specific meaning.I do not have any answer for this and would not expect others to have ready made answer if the 'saint' so spoken is reflective of any individual or otherwise. 'Saint' may be reflective of 'sangat' in entirety as well. But it is only a conjecture and may not be correct.[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua]Let us also have a look at the following.It also states clearly that Saint has to be assigned some specific meaning like we have the concept of Gurmukh and manmukh.[/FONT] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] hir AMimRq bUMd suhwvxI imil swDU pIvxhwru ] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](134-12, mwJ, mÚ 5)[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua]The drops of the Lord's Nectar are so beautiful! [COLOR=Blue]Meeting the Holy Saint, we drink these in.[/COLOR][/FONT] And Further : [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]swDu imlY pUrb sMjog ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](153-2, gauVI, mÚ 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua]One meets the Holy Saint only through perfect destiny.[/FONT] And Further: [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]kir syvw sMqw AMimRqu muiK pwhw jIau ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](173-3, gauVI mwJ, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=blue]Let's serve the Saints[/FONT][/COLOR], and drink in the Ambrosial Nectar[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua] You would agree with me that Saint is spread almost at many places in Gurbani.We have to exclude the saint as the one that we consider in normal parlance. Saint has to be a realized soul who has been blessed by the Lord Himself. Such a person would be a Brahmgyani and we have the attributes of Brahmgyani in Sukhmani sahib [Gaudi][/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua]Brahmgyani has been stated to be almost a GOd and if we take this term in that sense some questions can stand to rest. Nonetheless , it requires a careful consideration.[/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua]May be Later when the haziness is gone. Regards[/FONT] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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