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What Is The Role Of Sants In The Khalsa Panth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 82064" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: DarkOrange">A question</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">There is specific mention of Saadh, the Holy in Bani. I had quoted from the bani. In the context the meaning is very clear to me. It seems that Saadh/Sangat can feel the presence of the Lord more easily than an individual. Hence one is advised to be in the company of sangat. But what would be the position of a Saint.[When translated from Sadhu.] Nothing is superfluous and has to be assigned meaning. I fail to do so and would request if learned member can throw some light as to who is saadhu. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Earler,It has been opined by pk 70 ji that one who takes to Naam abhiyaas is a sadhu. However, to me the State of sadhu /sadhoo should be much above the practitioners of naam in the ordinary senses of the word. In any case advice is sought from the members. The term has not been discussed at length anywhere by the commentators as well. </span></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">jYsy hlhr ibnw ijmI nhI boeIAY ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-10, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> Without a farmer, the land is not planted;</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> sUq ibnw kYsy mxI proeIAY ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-10, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> without a thread, how can the beads be strung?</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> GuMfI ibnu ikAw gMiT cVHweIAY ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-11, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> Without a loop, how can the knot be tied?</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> swDU ibnu qYsy Abgqu jweIAY ]2] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-11, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> Just so, without the Holy Saint, the mortal departs in misery. ||2||</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> jYsy mwq ipqw ibnu bwlu n hoeI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-11, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> Without a mother or father there is no child;</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> ibMb ibnw kYsy kpry DoeI ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-12, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> just so, without water, how can the clothes be washed?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">Gor ibnw kYsy Asvwr ] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-12, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> Without a horse, how can there be a rider?</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"> swDU ibnu nwhI drvwr ]3] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(872-12, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)</span></span></span></p><p> <em><span style="color: Blue">Without the Holy Saint, one cannot reach the Court of the Lord. ||3||</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue">The above line shows that the position of saint is almost equal to Guru or the God Himself. Thus anyone who has attained the jewel of Naam from the God Himself shall qualify for this. But when one has achieved the Naam from the God ,one may not even like to disclose this and hence even if we are able define and try to keep him bound in the definition the identification of Saint shall again be a problem. May be there should be a better explanation.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Blue"></span>[/FONT]</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 82064, member: 5290"] [FONT=Book Antiqua][FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=DarkOrange]A question[/COLOR][/FONT] There is specific mention of Saadh, the Holy in Bani. I had quoted from the bani. In the context the meaning is very clear to me. It seems that Saadh/Sangat can feel the presence of the Lord more easily than an individual. Hence one is advised to be in the company of sangat. But what would be the position of a Saint.[When translated from Sadhu.] Nothing is superfluous and has to be assigned meaning. I fail to do so and would request if learned member can throw some light as to who is saadhu. Earler,It has been opined by pk 70 ji that one who takes to Naam abhiyaas is a sadhu. However, to me the State of sadhu /sadhoo should be much above the practitioners of naam in the ordinary senses of the word. In any case advice is sought from the members. The term has not been discussed at length anywhere by the commentators as well. [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]jYsy hlhr ibnw ijmI nhI boeIAY ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-10, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] Without a farmer, the land is not planted; [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] sUq ibnw kYsy mxI proeIAY ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-10, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] without a thread, how can the beads be strung? [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] GuMfI ibnu ikAw gMiT cVHweIAY ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-11, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] Without a loop, how can the knot be tied? [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] swDU ibnu qYsy Abgqu jweIAY ]2] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-11, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] Just so, without the Holy Saint, the mortal departs in misery. ||2|| [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] jYsy mwq ipqw ibnu bwlu n hoeI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-11, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] Without a mother or father there is no child; [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] ibMb ibnw kYsy kpry DoeI ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-12, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] just so, without water, how can the clothes be washed? [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]Gor ibnw kYsy Asvwr ] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-12, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] Without a horse, how can there be a rider? [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] swDU ibnu nwhI drvwr ]3] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](872-12, goNf, Bgq kbIr jI)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [I][COLOR=Blue]Without the Holy Saint, one cannot reach the Court of the Lord. ||3|| The above line shows that the position of saint is almost equal to Guru or the God Himself. Thus anyone who has attained the jewel of Naam from the God Himself shall qualify for this. But when one has achieved the Naam from the God ,one may not even like to disclose this and hence even if we are able define and try to keep him bound in the definition the identification of Saint shall again be a problem. May be there should be a better explanation. [/COLOR][/FONT][/I] [/QUOTE]
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