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ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
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Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
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<blockquote data-quote="devakumarc" data-source="post: 8624" data-attributes="member: 277"><p>Dear Shri Amanji</p><p>Sat Shri Akal. As a Tamilian, I am yet to master Hindi language as you have caught me wrong-footed. Thank you for pointing out the mispronunciation of Khalsa. Please be ever kind enough to correct me and guide me. That is why I always attach the string " my due apologies for any error in my message".</p><p>With personal regards</p><p>Dev</p><p></p><p>dear Shri Amanji</p><p>Thank you for your encouragement. i have posted some time back on this topic called "What is Jainism?" It is rather related to this issue of Parinirvana. ontrary to the commonly seen practice of Jainism by our folks, I find it to be an idealistic religion with the sole aim of liberation from bondage, nothing else and nothing more. Liberation from bondage is nirvana or parinirvana. With this brief introduction, let me reproduce my message posted elsewhere here for the benefit of this board.</p><p>Hope, it interests some one.</p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">What is Jainism?</span></strong></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Jainism is a religion of soul. What is soul? It is consciousness-personified; We may say, it is colorless, odorless, shapeless, mass less, devoid of sound, devoid of touch, beyond the pales of passions, delusions, senses and mind.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">So you must first believe that what you are is a soul. This positive belief is called <u>theism</u>. This <u>self-belief</u> is the first and foremost of Jainism. The second aspect is that there are infinite numbers of souls around you. The soul is <u>an embodiment of cognition</u> or consciousness (knowledge and perception). Each soul is capable of knowing it and others. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">What does this mean to today’s world?</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It simply means that you can’t partition beings and people in terms of nation, race, birth, gender, age, color, caste, wealth, physical attributes, etc. In other words, the religion of soul transcends the boundaries of time, space, geography, racial discrimination, gender divide, age-bar etc. Since we are very much used to units, currencies and values of physical world, we try to confine religions to these non-soul boundaries. Add to the non-soul character of “yours & mine”, the religion thus derived is in fact an artifact.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">In reality, you or I, the souls <u>do not know our true identity</u>. Strange, it appears but true. Just like souls, our universe has non-souls as well. Non-souls by definition are devoid of this cognition. Among the non-souls, the most fascinating one is called matter. What we see, hear, smell, touch is all matter. But in reality they don’t matter because a soul does not need them for its existence and expression. Each substance be it a soul or a non-soul is capable of independent existence and expression. In other words, you and I have been impersonating as some one and this impersonation has been going on without we knowing it. The matter has two important binding forces called <u>forces of attraction and repulsion</u>. So we, the souls have assumed these two forces as our own and transformed them as likes and dislikes. <strong>So essentially three forces which drive us away from knowing and living independently are the illusion of identity and temptations of likes and dislikes.</strong></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> So what is the way out? It depends on you and I. Am I satisfied with this state of misrepresentation or falsehood and continue to survive like this or free from this falsehood and dependence on non-cognitive matter? So you have to make this choice. You may very well ask this question. Why not try to be in this state and maximize my survival. This is one common approach of most of the world religion. Superimpose with this, the concept of creator-God, you can pursue the path of bonded life vesting faith in the creator-God to rescue you. Jainism on the other hand, does not believe in external force to rescue you.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">If you want freedom from dependence or bondage with matter, the only way is to free yourself from the forces of wrong-identity, likes and dislikes. Perceive you as a free independent, cognitive entity free of all material connotations of physical body, mind etc. You have no fixed shape; you are beyond the conventions of gender, race, religion, caste, nation etc. You are all yourself. You neither hate anybody nor like anyone. You instill self-belief and install yourself as an embodiment of supercognition setting aside the clouds and colours of matter. Whatever happens to you bear without any reaction tinged with anger, greed, conceit, ego etc or feelings of pain, pleasure and forbear them with equanimity. These are past bonded forces now uncoiling and releasing their effect. Unknowingly you earned them that way. So they bear their fruit now. Let them wither away. No regrets and no reaction whatsoever.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">It is not just possible overnight; True. But let us make a beginning in this direction. Never deter from this determination of freeing yourself. One day, <u>surely one day</u>, you will be free, independent and your cognition would reach all iota of space in the universe and beyond. You can know each and every one in all aspects instantly and constantly. This has been <u>your ambition</u> and you have achieved just that. This is called Purusharth. You have by then reached the end of the arduous journey (Siddhant). <strong>You have attained parinirvana, eternal freedom from bondage.</strong></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> <strong>So what is Jainism then? </strong>It is the belief and practice of disembarking the pschyco-material boundaries of likes and dislikes and at the same time embarking on the eternal state of equanimity. This process does not need any other tool except the one who wants to do it for oneself. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Michchami dukkadam ( it means let my transgressions become false or in other words, I pray that my transgressions be made good by the readers.)</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">With regards</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Dev</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="devakumarc, post: 8624, member: 277"] Dear Shri Amanji Sat Shri Akal. As a Tamilian, I am yet to master Hindi language as you have caught me wrong-footed. Thank you for pointing out the mispronunciation of Khalsa. Please be ever kind enough to correct me and guide me. That is why I always attach the string " my due apologies for any error in my message". With personal regards Dev dear Shri Amanji Thank you for your encouragement. i have posted some time back on this topic called "What is Jainism?" It is rather related to this issue of Parinirvana. ontrary to the commonly seen practice of Jainism by our folks, I find it to be an idealistic religion with the sole aim of liberation from bondage, nothing else and nothing more. Liberation from bondage is nirvana or parinirvana. With this brief introduction, let me reproduce my message posted elsewhere here for the benefit of this board. Hope, it interests some one. [center][size=3][color=#000000][b][font=Arial]What is Jainism?[/font][/b][font=Arial][/font][/color][/size] [/center] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]Jainism is a religion of soul. What is soul? It is consciousness-personified; We may say, it is colorless, odorless, shapeless, mass less, devoid of sound, devoid of touch, beyond the pales of passions, delusions, senses and mind.[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]So you must first believe that what you are is a soul. This positive belief is called [u]theism[/u]. This [u]self-belief[/u] is the first and foremost of Jainism. The second aspect is that there are infinite numbers of souls around you. The soul is [u]an embodiment of cognition[/u] or consciousness (knowledge and perception). Each soul is capable of knowing it and others. [/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]What does this mean to today’s world?[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]It simply means that you can’t partition beings and people in terms of nation, race, birth, gender, age, color, caste, wealth, physical attributes, etc. In other words, the religion of soul transcends the boundaries of time, space, geography, racial discrimination, gender divide, age-bar etc. Since we are very much used to units, currencies and values of physical world, we try to confine religions to these non-soul boundaries. Add to the non-soul character of “yours & mine”, the religion thus derived is in fact an artifact.[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]In reality, you or I, the souls [u]do not know our true identity[/u]. Strange, it appears but true. Just like souls, our universe has non-souls as well. Non-souls by definition are devoid of this cognition. Among the non-souls, the most fascinating one is called matter. What we see, hear, smell, touch is all matter. But in reality they don’t matter because a soul does not need them for its existence and expression. Each substance be it a soul or a non-soul is capable of independent existence and expression. In other words, you and I have been impersonating as some one and this impersonation has been going on without we knowing it. The matter has two important binding forces called [u]forces of attraction and repulsion[/u]. So we, the souls have assumed these two forces as our own and transformed them as likes and dislikes. [b]So essentially three forces which drive us away from knowing and living independently are the illusion of identity and temptations of likes and dislikes.[/b][/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000] So what is the way out? It depends on you and I. Am I satisfied with this state of misrepresentation or falsehood and continue to survive like this or free from this falsehood and dependence on non-cognitive matter? So you have to make this choice. You may very well ask this question. Why not try to be in this state and maximize my survival. This is one common approach of most of the world religion. Superimpose with this, the concept of creator-God, you can pursue the path of bonded life vesting faith in the creator-God to rescue you. Jainism on the other hand, does not believe in external force to rescue you.[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]If you want freedom from dependence or bondage with matter, the only way is to free yourself from the forces of wrong-identity, likes and dislikes. Perceive you as a free independent, cognitive entity free of all material connotations of physical body, mind etc. You have no fixed shape; you are beyond the conventions of gender, race, religion, caste, nation etc. You are all yourself. You neither hate anybody nor like anyone. You instill self-belief and install yourself as an embodiment of supercognition setting aside the clouds and colours of matter. Whatever happens to you bear without any reaction tinged with anger, greed, conceit, ego etc or feelings of pain, pleasure and forbear them with equanimity. These are past bonded forces now uncoiling and releasing their effect. Unknowingly you earned them that way. So they bear their fruit now. Let them wither away. No regrets and no reaction whatsoever.[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]It is not just possible overnight; True. But let us make a beginning in this direction. Never deter from this determination of freeing yourself. One day, [u]surely one day[/u], you will be free, independent and your cognition would reach all iota of space in the universe and beyond. You can know each and every one in all aspects instantly and constantly. This has been [u]your ambition[/u] and you have achieved just that. This is called Purusharth. You have by then reached the end of the arduous journey (Siddhant). [b]You have attained parinirvana, eternal freedom from bondage.[/b][/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000] [b]So what is Jainism then? [/b]It is the belief and practice of disembarking the pschyco-material boundaries of likes and dislikes and at the same time embarking on the eternal state of equanimity. This process does not need any other tool except the one who wants to do it for oneself. [/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]Michchami dukkadam ( it means let my transgressions become false or in other words, I pray that my transgressions be made good by the readers.)[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]With regards[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]Dev[/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000] [/color][/size][/font] [/QUOTE]
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