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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 163593" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>Luckyji</p><p></p><p>some comments</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In my view it is dangerous because you are putting responsibility on God, and taking it away from yourself, this is not what Sikhism is about, it is about using bani to give life your best shot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am still not sure why anyone would wish another to pray for them, I find this third party prayer system quite depressing, if you cannot see how that puts you on the same platform a a drug dealer, then I am not quite sure how I can explain it any further. Also I do not follow Sikhism to find salvation, I follow Sikhism as it gives me a framework with which to live my life and get the best chance of a happy life, salvation if bestowed on me is in the hands of Creator, it is not something I have any interest in. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Please quote these acts of prayer so that I may either offer my own understanding, or concede your argument in full. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You contradict yourself here brother, on the one hand you are saying prayer is not a magic formula, on the other, prayer is what you make it. Well, in my view, many people DO make it a magic formula, along the lines of do this for me, and I will do so many paths, so many good deeds etc. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Any spirituality I may have is all attained from learning, and is <strong><u>in spite</u></strong> of anything that I may have learned through prayer. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>With pleasure...</p><p></p><p>My father has a friend, all his life had been religious, he had prayed, kept his hair, followed all the rituals and ceremonies that one does, he also had a heart condition, which required him to take tablets, he decided that prayer was a better course of action than the drugs, when they admitted him to hospital, he had not taken any drugs for 18 months, he died shortly after. </p><p></p><p>Now Luckyji, you may be an intelligent enlightened individual who sees prayer as communication with God, but there are many many people who are deeply superstitious, and who would convince themselves that life is all down to how happy or unhappy they have made God. Guru Nanakji tried to free these miserable souls from this game, only for Sikhism to end up at the same juncture thanks to those that would say ' just do your best and God will do the rest'. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The arrows you are aiming at me seem to be striking you straight back and you cannot even see it. You are saying I am mixing hope, prayer and magic, yet then tell me I need to distinguish between the three and understand that prayer is talking to god about hopes, to what end? to the end of getting them granted surely, not through effort, but through magic, who exactly is mixing what up here brother, you or me?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Hopes? hopes for what? I have no hopes, I have goals, but frankly, I could not care less if those goals are not reached, I find the thought of praying for my fathers life extremely distasteful, I find the thought of paying some Gyani to mention him in Ardass extremely distasteful, who am I to even consider bothering Creator with my puny requests, when Creator has already done everything that can be done by giving as all a lifestyle choice. All I can do is thank Creator NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS for giving us all the chance to live as was intended, and get as close to perfection as we can, without paying lip service to an idol. For that is what we create in our head when we pray, an idol, we are not better than our Hindu friends who would give milk to a stone statue, except we do it in our heads. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well it is good to know you hardly ever pray whilst giving a list of requests, I on the other hand, never pray whilst presenting a list. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I</p><p></p><p>Who do you do this for Luckyji, for 'him' of for yourself?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Nope, if you had read my post above you would have noted that everytime I have prayed, my prayers have been answered, and for the most obscure and disgusting things I would add.. No, my current stance is down to Alfie, my dog. Alfie is now unable to actually get up, so I have to carry him out to the garden for toilet, and my wife spoon feeds him food. He is 12, a good Sikh dog, an ex guide dog, he has spent years in sewa, we are going to make a decision to put him down soon if he cannot get any better, as it is unfair to keep him going, but every time we decide this, he seems to perk up, and will drag me out for a long walk. Hundreds of pounds of tests have shown nothing, the Vet puts it down to old age. However, a month ago, he perked up hugely, he was a different dog, and then I got a mail from an SPNer who had read about his condition and outlined what was wrong with him, and offered prayers for him. My wife loves that dog, possibly more than she loves me!, so now she is asking me to contact this SPNer, and ask him to pray again, now if my wife being fairly atheist in her outlook, can be won over by this, then I consider anyone could. Its like a drug, its addictive, and it closes your eyes to what is happening in the real world, around you, I am against any sort of 'asking prayer' because it diverts attention, focus, it makes you a puppet, it makes you reliant on those whose prayers work, it wastes time, it encourages belief in the supernatural and in ritual</p><p></p><p>As a final note, I would like to say that I think about God constantly, not in a prayer format, but in trying to follow Hukam, in trying to be a better person, I do not pray for this, I read bani and try and see the wisdom in certain actions, see where I am going wrong, </p><p></p><p>I love Creation, I love Creator, the bond between the three of us is strong and gets stronger each day, I ask only for the strength and grace to follow Hukam, and even that is never said or thought in words, Creator knows my heart, can see inside it, knows exactly what I am, why would I assume otherwise and share a few snippets when Creator knows everything ?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 163593, member: 14641"] Luckyji some comments In my view it is dangerous because you are putting responsibility on God, and taking it away from yourself, this is not what Sikhism is about, it is about using bani to give life your best shot. I am still not sure why anyone would wish another to pray for them, I find this third party prayer system quite depressing, if you cannot see how that puts you on the same platform a a drug dealer, then I am not quite sure how I can explain it any further. Also I do not follow Sikhism to find salvation, I follow Sikhism as it gives me a framework with which to live my life and get the best chance of a happy life, salvation if bestowed on me is in the hands of Creator, it is not something I have any interest in. Please quote these acts of prayer so that I may either offer my own understanding, or concede your argument in full. You contradict yourself here brother, on the one hand you are saying prayer is not a magic formula, on the other, prayer is what you make it. Well, in my view, many people DO make it a magic formula, along the lines of do this for me, and I will do so many paths, so many good deeds etc. Any spirituality I may have is all attained from learning, and is [B][U]in spite[/U][/B] of anything that I may have learned through prayer. With pleasure... My father has a friend, all his life had been religious, he had prayed, kept his hair, followed all the rituals and ceremonies that one does, he also had a heart condition, which required him to take tablets, he decided that prayer was a better course of action than the drugs, when they admitted him to hospital, he had not taken any drugs for 18 months, he died shortly after. Now Luckyji, you may be an intelligent enlightened individual who sees prayer as communication with God, but there are many many people who are deeply superstitious, and who would convince themselves that life is all down to how happy or unhappy they have made God. Guru Nanakji tried to free these miserable souls from this game, only for Sikhism to end up at the same juncture thanks to those that would say ' just do your best and God will do the rest'. The arrows you are aiming at me seem to be striking you straight back and you cannot even see it. You are saying I am mixing hope, prayer and magic, yet then tell me I need to distinguish between the three and understand that prayer is talking to god about hopes, to what end? to the end of getting them granted surely, not through effort, but through magic, who exactly is mixing what up here brother, you or me? Hopes? hopes for what? I have no hopes, I have goals, but frankly, I could not care less if those goals are not reached, I find the thought of praying for my fathers life extremely distasteful, I find the thought of paying some Gyani to mention him in Ardass extremely distasteful, who am I to even consider bothering Creator with my puny requests, when Creator has already done everything that can be done by giving as all a lifestyle choice. All I can do is thank Creator NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS for giving us all the chance to live as was intended, and get as close to perfection as we can, without paying lip service to an idol. For that is what we create in our head when we pray, an idol, we are not better than our Hindu friends who would give milk to a stone statue, except we do it in our heads. Well it is good to know you hardly ever pray whilst giving a list of requests, I on the other hand, never pray whilst presenting a list. I Who do you do this for Luckyji, for 'him' of for yourself? Nope, if you had read my post above you would have noted that everytime I have prayed, my prayers have been answered, and for the most obscure and disgusting things I would add.. No, my current stance is down to Alfie, my dog. Alfie is now unable to actually get up, so I have to carry him out to the garden for toilet, and my wife spoon feeds him food. He is 12, a good Sikh dog, an ex guide dog, he has spent years in sewa, we are going to make a decision to put him down soon if he cannot get any better, as it is unfair to keep him going, but every time we decide this, he seems to perk up, and will drag me out for a long walk. Hundreds of pounds of tests have shown nothing, the Vet puts it down to old age. However, a month ago, he perked up hugely, he was a different dog, and then I got a mail from an SPNer who had read about his condition and outlined what was wrong with him, and offered prayers for him. My wife loves that dog, possibly more than she loves me!, so now she is asking me to contact this SPNer, and ask him to pray again, now if my wife being fairly atheist in her outlook, can be won over by this, then I consider anyone could. Its like a drug, its addictive, and it closes your eyes to what is happening in the real world, around you, I am against any sort of 'asking prayer' because it diverts attention, focus, it makes you a puppet, it makes you reliant on those whose prayers work, it wastes time, it encourages belief in the supernatural and in ritual As a final note, I would like to say that I think about God constantly, not in a prayer format, but in trying to follow Hukam, in trying to be a better person, I do not pray for this, I read bani and try and see the wisdom in certain actions, see where I am going wrong, I love Creation, I love Creator, the bond between the three of us is strong and gets stronger each day, I ask only for the strength and grace to follow Hukam, and even that is never said or thought in words, Creator knows my heart, can see inside it, knows exactly what I am, why would I assume otherwise and share a few snippets when Creator knows everything ? [/QUOTE]
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