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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 163589" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>passingby ji thanks for your post. I have some observations and thoughts for discourse.</p><p></p><p>I was reading though the quoted Bani in your post as below,</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38357-what-is-prayer-should-sikhs-pray-2.html#post163561" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38357-what-is-prayer-should-sikhs-pray-2.html#post163561</a></p><p></p><p>I saw the following as focus in these sabads,</p><p></p><p><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />unctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />ontGrowAutofit/> <w:UseFELayout/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਨੁ</span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਤਿਆਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨੀ ਲਾਗਉ ...</span></span></strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: Blue"><em>A message in humility and recognizing of the creator and so following</em></span><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> respectfully<br /> </span></span></strong></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣੁ ....<br /> </span></span></strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>The recognition of the truth as creator's virtues</em></span><br /> </span></span></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ...</span></span></strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: Blue"><em>Remembering the supreme creator</em></span></span><span style="color: Blue"><em> in the heart</em></span></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਰੰਗੁ ਨ ਲਗੀ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ....</span></span></strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Forsaking of the creator in presence and self realization</em></span></span><br /> </span></span></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਇਓ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ...</span></span></strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Forgetting the creator in the heart</em></span></span><br /> </span></span></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p> What these tell us is the remembering and non-remembering aspects of the creator in Sikhism. So this is part of being forever aware while warning against lapsing..</p><p></p><p>Now how does Ardas or Sikh prayer fits into this?</p><p></p><p>For me it is pretty simple and straightforward.<p style="margin-left: 20px">1. Participating in a Group Prayer/Ardas</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A collective recognition of the creator at any given point in time with our fellow humans</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Possible support to other in doubt, or seeking support or any other positive purpose</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px">2. Personal Ardas/Prayer</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">This I find particularly a very personal, intimate and truthful opportunity to remind selves, to have a check point, a marker to observe</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Some thoughts that come to mind from my recollections over time that I have silently stated inside of me,</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Let me not do bad to others</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wellness for all</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">May I be guided on a righteous path</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">May I have the strength to do good for others</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">etc.</li> </ul><p>In the above contexts, I find the Ardas or Prayer to be extremely worthwhile and actually quite a "bang for the buck" in terms of its effect and possible value.</p><p></p><p>Just some thoughts.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 163589, member: 14194"] passingby ji thanks for your post. I have some observations and thoughts for discourse. I was reading though the quoted Bani in your post as below, [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/38357-what-is-prayer-should-sikhs-pray-2.html#post163561[/URL] I saw the following as focus in these sabads, <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:PunctuationKerning/> <w:ValidateAgainstSchemas/> <w:SaveIfXMLInvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:IgnoreMixedContent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> <w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText>false</w:AlwaysShowPlaceholderText> <w:Compatibility> <w:BreakWrappedTables/> <w:SnapToGridInCell/> <w:WrapTextWithPunct/> <w:UseAsianBreakRules/> <w:DontGrowAutofit/> <w:UseFELayout/> </w:Compatibility> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਨੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi] ਤਿਆਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨੀ ਲਾਗਉ ...[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][COLOR=Blue][I]A message in humility and recognizing of the creator and so following[/I][/COLOR][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi] respectfully [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣੁ .... [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi][FONT=Arial][I]The recognition of the truth as creator's virtues[/I][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ...[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*] [FONT=Arial][COLOR=Blue][I]Remembering the supreme creator[/I][/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=Blue][I] in the heart[/I][/COLOR] [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi] ਰੰਗੁ ਨ ਲਗੀ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ....[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue][FONT=Arial][I]Forsaking of the creator in presence and self realization[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/LIST] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਤਿ ਨ ਆਇਓ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ...[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [LIST] [*][COLOR=blue][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue][FONT=Arial][I]Forgetting the creator in the heart[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/LIST] [/LIST] What these tell us is the remembering and non-remembering aspects of the creator in Sikhism. So this is part of being forever aware while warning against lapsing.. Now how does Ardas or Sikh prayer fits into this? For me it is pretty simple and straightforward.[INDENT]1. Participating in a Group Prayer/Ardas [LIST] [*]A collective recognition of the creator at any given point in time with our fellow humans [*]Possible support to other in doubt, or seeking support or any other positive purpose [/LIST] [/INDENT] [INDENT]2. Personal Ardas/Prayer This I find particularly a very personal, intimate and truthful opportunity to remind selves, to have a check point, a marker to observe Some thoughts that come to mind from my recollections over time that I have silently stated inside of me, [LIST] [*]Let me not do bad to others [*]Wellness for all [*]May I be guided on a righteous path [*]May I have the strength to do good for others [*]etc. [/LIST] [/INDENT]In the above contexts, I find the Ardas or Prayer to be extremely worthwhile and actually quite a "bang for the buck" in terms of its effect and possible value. Just some thoughts. Sat Sri Akal. [/QUOTE]
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