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<blockquote data-quote="Harkiran Kaur" data-source="post: 192351" data-attributes="member: 18224"><p>And if those abilities that were given to me include being good at careers that were typically reserved for men... should I also then embrace it as part of my femininity? My point is, those things should not be seen as 'for men only' we should stop assigning gender roles to people / careers. If a woman has excellent abilities for things like firefighting, or police work etc.... why should it be up to men to decide that is not 'feminine' and she should go wash a dish instead? Obviously those talents were given to her BY WAHEGURU JI! </p><p></p><p>For me, I know I was definitely not blessed with domestic abilities.... I hate cooking, I burn food, I hate cleaning up the mess that cooking makes, I burn myself with an iron when trying to iron my clothes, I procrastinate a LOT with housework. I'd rather clean it and leave it clean (that means nobody can move anything out of place) than to have to keep cleaning it again and again. I was never attracted to babies and I am nervous around them... older kids are ok though, because they can comprehend what I am telling them to some degree. I don't have a lot of patience dealing with very young children or babies, or messy husbands etc. I wasn't born with that 'nurturing' gene I guess. I am a type A personality. </p><p></p><p>I excel in high stress physically demanding jobs. I get satisfaction knowing I can lead a team of sonar operators (my trade in the Navy) and direct them in high stress situations, maintaining team cohesion. In an emergency I can don full firefighting gear on board the submarine and fight a fire... or deal with ingress of water, or extricate someone injured off the sub. If I come across an accident scene, I know I won't ever panic. I can go right to the casualty and know what to do in emergency to save their life. Even my hobbies are what were typically male.. I ride a motorcycle for example... </p><p></p><p>Obviously I was given these traits by our Creator. So therefore, these traits should be beyond gender. It's only humans who assign gender to roles. Obviously God has different ideas. If I have an ability that I was blessed with by God, should I not be able to embrace it, without being seen as a 'second hand man'? </p><p></p><p>Not all women were born nurturers, just like not all men are born for physical labour etc. When the differences are skin colour, or ethnicity, religion etc we all seem to turn a blind eye but gender sticks as the one thing that wants to force people into assigned roles... why is that?? And those 'roles' always work out in the favour of men. And women always end up suffering and restricted. (I am talking in general terms.. in society) </p><p></p><p>Look at Muslim countries as an extreme example... in Saudi Arabia, women are not even allowed out of their homes without a mahram ( a male 'guardian') in Fact, her son is guardian over her and not the other way around. Women there, must cover head to toe even their face, are not allowed to drive, and must have permission from a male relative to do anything. This is all in the name of gender difference and roles... and even though Islam says that women and men are equal in the eyes of God, since it dictates in the Quran that women are weaker and men were given more strength, men must protect women. That 'protection' is the justification for the life they are subjected to there. </p><p></p><p>To lesser degrees, the same line of thinking has always prevailed. Even in the west. Women are weaker, therefore men dominate them. The result, men are happy and actually get to live. Women just exist to serve the whims of the men. (again, general terms in society... after all its only been recent history that women were given equal rights even in the West)</p><p></p><p>--- Now I do embrace feminine things... don't get me wrong. Like I said... shopping, the colour pink, pretty clothes etc. So I am not a 'tom boy' by any means. I just think women should have all the same opportunities for happiness that men have. If that does not include changing nappies and instead includes military service or police work or fire fighting etc... then so be it. It doesn't make her any less of a woman. My point is, lets remove gender from careers all together. And let each person engage in their chosen field based on their merits instead of what they have between their legs. A lot of women were given skills other than those of nurturing, caring for babies, cleaning and cooking.... let them explore it without being seen as taking something from men!</p><p></p><p>And for the record, if a woman CHOOSES to stay at home and just raise children instead of working, if it truly was her choice, then that's fine. But not all of us choose that!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harkiran Kaur, post: 192351, member: 18224"] And if those abilities that were given to me include being good at careers that were typically reserved for men... should I also then embrace it as part of my femininity? My point is, those things should not be seen as 'for men only' we should stop assigning gender roles to people / careers. If a woman has excellent abilities for things like firefighting, or police work etc.... why should it be up to men to decide that is not 'feminine' and she should go wash a dish instead? Obviously those talents were given to her BY WAHEGURU JI! For me, I know I was definitely not blessed with domestic abilities.... I hate cooking, I burn food, I hate cleaning up the mess that cooking makes, I burn myself with an iron when trying to iron my clothes, I procrastinate a LOT with housework. I'd rather clean it and leave it clean (that means nobody can move anything out of place) than to have to keep cleaning it again and again. I was never attracted to babies and I am nervous around them... older kids are ok though, because they can comprehend what I am telling them to some degree. I don't have a lot of patience dealing with very young children or babies, or messy husbands etc. I wasn't born with that 'nurturing' gene I guess. I am a type A personality. I excel in high stress physically demanding jobs. I get satisfaction knowing I can lead a team of sonar operators (my trade in the Navy) and direct them in high stress situations, maintaining team cohesion. In an emergency I can don full firefighting gear on board the submarine and fight a fire... or deal with ingress of water, or extricate someone injured off the sub. If I come across an accident scene, I know I won't ever panic. I can go right to the casualty and know what to do in emergency to save their life. Even my hobbies are what were typically male.. I ride a motorcycle for example... Obviously I was given these traits by our Creator. So therefore, these traits should be beyond gender. It's only humans who assign gender to roles. Obviously God has different ideas. If I have an ability that I was blessed with by God, should I not be able to embrace it, without being seen as a 'second hand man'? Not all women were born nurturers, just like not all men are born for physical labour etc. When the differences are skin colour, or ethnicity, religion etc we all seem to turn a blind eye but gender sticks as the one thing that wants to force people into assigned roles... why is that?? And those 'roles' always work out in the favour of men. And women always end up suffering and restricted. (I am talking in general terms.. in society) Look at Muslim countries as an extreme example... in Saudi Arabia, women are not even allowed out of their homes without a mahram ( a male 'guardian') in Fact, her son is guardian over her and not the other way around. Women there, must cover head to toe even their face, are not allowed to drive, and must have permission from a male relative to do anything. This is all in the name of gender difference and roles... and even though Islam says that women and men are equal in the eyes of God, since it dictates in the Quran that women are weaker and men were given more strength, men must protect women. That 'protection' is the justification for the life they are subjected to there. To lesser degrees, the same line of thinking has always prevailed. Even in the west. Women are weaker, therefore men dominate them. The result, men are happy and actually get to live. Women just exist to serve the whims of the men. (again, general terms in society... after all its only been recent history that women were given equal rights even in the West) --- Now I do embrace feminine things... don't get me wrong. Like I said... shopping, the colour pink, pretty clothes etc. So I am not a 'tom boy' by any means. I just think women should have all the same opportunities for happiness that men have. If that does not include changing nappies and instead includes military service or police work or fire fighting etc... then so be it. It doesn't make her any less of a woman. My point is, lets remove gender from careers all together. And let each person engage in their chosen field based on their merits instead of what they have between their legs. A lot of women were given skills other than those of nurturing, caring for babies, cleaning and cooking.... let them explore it without being seen as taking something from men! And for the record, if a woman CHOOSES to stay at home and just raise children instead of working, if it truly was her choice, then that's fine. But not all of us choose that! [/QUOTE]
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