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<blockquote data-quote="Jasdeep118" data-source="post: 217380" data-attributes="member: 20939"><p>Hello Rajveer Bhaiji, I saw your post where you had doubts regarding Sikhi. So, how is your journey going trying to find the truth.</p><p></p><p>Regardless, in my opinion, I just listen and follow what the Guru's teach and the philosophy. I come to peace regarding the history of the Gurus and such. So what, I mean they weren't Messiah's sent here from God like in Judeo-Christain, but I just believe that they were simply enlightened humans who recognized the truth. I know some Sikh's believe that the Guru's were literally sent by Whaeguru, but I don't believe in that. In my opinion, I believe that every religious figure was simply enlightened and found the truth on their own paths. Also, the Guru's are humans, and just like humans they make mistakes. I know everyone has their own views on the Guru's, but that's my opinion.</p><p></p><p>Rajveer, I was in the same boat as you I questioned why the Guru's were all Khatri's, the polygamy and such, I read the history. I just realized that they were simply human beings who tend to make mistakes like every other human being. Regardless of what, I am not denying it or ignoring it, but I simply came with peace. I also realized that people forget there were 11 Gurus, I mean this Guru has no gender, no caste, not a human, and such it is the Guru Granth Sahib. I was also in the same boat as you as I was an Agnostic doubting God, but I now believe that there is a high being out there and such, but God or Whaeguru is beyond human comprehension just like Guru Nanak Dev Ji said.</p><p></p><p>Also, the reason why I like Sikhi because it means that you are trying to find the True Guru within yourself. And Sikh means in Punjabi, student. I am simply a student trying to find the true path within Waheguru through my own ways. Thats what I think Guru Nanak Dev Ji preached, that the Truth is everywhere. It isn't within the confines of Priests, or the words of men, but that truth can be sought everywhere and anywhere. It doesn't mean that one religion has all of the truth, but every religion is equal and has their own unique ways of finding the truth. In my opinion, I just follow Sikhi not in a dogmatic fashion where I go to the Gurudwara and pray, as I realize that within myself and heart. That my body is a Gurdwara, Mosque, Monastery, Church, Synagogue, and Temple. Within it, God is inside. As Bullah Shah said</p><p>"Tear down the mosque and temple too, break all that divides</p><p>But do not break the human heart as it is there that God resides."</p><p></p><p>That's what Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Arjun Dev Ji said.</p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1002&english=t&id=42837#l42837" target="_blank"><u>Page 1002, Line 3</u></a></p><p>ਬਾਹਰਿ ਢੂਢਨ ਤੇ ਛੂਟਿ ਪਰੇ ਗੁਰਿ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ਥਾ ॥</p><p>बाहरि ढूढन ते छूटि परे गुरि घर ही माहि दिखाइआ था ॥</p><p>Bāhar dẖūdẖan ṯe cẖẖūt pare gur gẖar hī māhi ḏikẖā▫i▫ā thā.</p><p>I have quit searching outside; the Guru has shown me that <strong>God is within</strong> the home of my own heart.</p><p><strong>Guru Arjan Dev</strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਅੰਤਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬਾਹਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਏਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%9B%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਪਛਾਣੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਇਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਘਰੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਮਹਲੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%9E%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਸਿਞਾਪੈ </a>॥</strong></p><p><strong>अंतरि बाहरि एकु पछाणै इउ घरु महलु सिञापै ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Anṯar bāhar ek pacẖẖāṇai i▫o gẖar mahal siñāpai.</strong></p><p><strong>Realize that the One God is inside and outside; understand this, that the Mansion of His Presence is within the home of your heart.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਪ੍ਰਭੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਨੇੜੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਹਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਦੂਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਨ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਜਾਣਹੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਏਕੋ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਸਬਾਈ </a>॥</strong></p><p><strong>प्रभु नेड़ै हरि दूरि न जाणहु एको स्रिसटि सबाई ॥</strong></p><p><strong>Parabẖ neṛai har ḏūr na jāṇhu eko sarisat sabā▫ī.</strong></p><p><strong>God is near at hand; do not think that God is far away. The One Lord permeates the entire universe.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਅਵਰੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਨਹੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਦੂਜਾ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਏਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਸਮਾਈ </a>॥੫॥</strong></p><p><strong>एकंकारु अवरु नही दूजा नानक एकु समाई ॥५॥</strong></p><p><strong>Ėkankār avar nahī ḏūjā Nānak ek samā▫ī. ||5||</strong></p><p><strong>There in One Universal Creator Lord; there is no other at all. O Nanak, merge into the One Lord. ||5||</strong></p><p><strong>Note: This is Page 930 </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p>Regardless Rajveer Bhaiji, I know that my answer and response isn't satisfactory, and I am pretty sure it doesn't relate to your question, but in my own way. That's why you are a Sikh Rajveer, its not because go to the Gurudwara and listen to the Guru Granth Sahib, but you are simply a student trying to realize the truth for yourself. Regardless, good luck on your journey friend and I hope you will seek all the answers you want.</p><p></p><p>In a nutshell, I just follow Sikhi as a philosophy, and I was in the same doubts as you. I had an existental crisis, and had a depression back in 2015 when I first joined this forum. I was a wavering Agnostic, but I don't know honestly, I just came to peace with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jasdeep118, post: 217380, member: 20939"] Hello Rajveer Bhaiji, I saw your post where you had doubts regarding Sikhi. So, how is your journey going trying to find the truth. Regardless, in my opinion, I just listen and follow what the Guru's teach and the philosophy. I come to peace regarding the history of the Gurus and such. So what, I mean they weren't Messiah's sent here from God like in Judeo-Christain, but I just believe that they were simply enlightened humans who recognized the truth. I know some Sikh's believe that the Guru's were literally sent by Whaeguru, but I don't believe in that. In my opinion, I believe that every religious figure was simply enlightened and found the truth on their own paths. Also, the Guru's are humans, and just like humans they make mistakes. I know everyone has their own views on the Guru's, but that's my opinion. Rajveer, I was in the same boat as you I questioned why the Guru's were all Khatri's, the polygamy and such, I read the history. I just realized that they were simply human beings who tend to make mistakes like every other human being. Regardless of what, I am not denying it or ignoring it, but I simply came with peace. I also realized that people forget there were 11 Gurus, I mean this Guru has no gender, no caste, not a human, and such it is the Guru Granth Sahib. I was also in the same boat as you as I was an Agnostic doubting God, but I now believe that there is a high being out there and such, but God or Whaeguru is beyond human comprehension just like Guru Nanak Dev Ji said. Also, the reason why I like Sikhi because it means that you are trying to find the True Guru within yourself. And Sikh means in Punjabi, student. I am simply a student trying to find the true path within Waheguru through my own ways. Thats what I think Guru Nanak Dev Ji preached, that the Truth is everywhere. It isn't within the confines of Priests, or the words of men, but that truth can be sought everywhere and anywhere. It doesn't mean that one religion has all of the truth, but every religion is equal and has their own unique ways of finding the truth. In my opinion, I just follow Sikhi not in a dogmatic fashion where I go to the Gurudwara and pray, as I realize that within myself and heart. That my body is a Gurdwara, Mosque, Monastery, Church, Synagogue, and Temple. Within it, God is inside. As Bullah Shah said "Tear down the mosque and temple too, break all that divides But do not break the human heart as it is there that God resides." That's what Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Arjun Dev Ji said. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1002&english=t&id=42837#l42837'][U]Page 1002, Line 3[/U][/URL] ਬਾਹਰਿ ਢੂਢਨ ਤੇ ਛੂਟਿ ਪਰੇ ਗੁਰਿ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ਥਾ ॥ बाहरि ढूढन ते छूटि परे गुरि घर ही माहि दिखाइआ था ॥ Bāhar dẖūdẖan ṯe cẖẖūt pare gur gẖar hī māhi ḏikẖā▫i▫ā thā. I have quit searching outside; the Guru has shown me that [B]God is within[/B] the home of my own heart. [B]Guru Arjan Dev [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਅੰਤਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਬਾਹਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81']ਏਕੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%9B%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%88']ਪਛਾਣੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%89']ਇਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%98%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81']ਘਰੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81']ਮਹਲੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%9E%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%88']ਸਿਞਾਪੈ [/URL]॥ अंतरि बाहरि एकु पछाणै इउ घरु महलु सिञापै ॥ Anṯar bāhar ek pacẖẖāṇai i▫o gẖar mahal siñāpai. Realize that the One God is inside and outside; understand this, that the Mansion of His Presence is within the home of your heart. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81']ਪ੍ਰਭੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%87%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%88']ਨੇੜੈ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਹਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਦੂਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8']ਨ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81']ਜਾਣਹੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B']ਏਕੋ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%BF']ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88']ਸਬਾਈ [/URL]॥ प्रभु नेड़ै हरि दूरि न जाणहु एको स्रिसटि सबाई ॥ Parabẖ neṛai har ḏūr na jāṇhu eko sarisat sabā▫ī. God is near at hand; do not think that God is far away. The One Lord permeates the entire universe. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81']ਏਕੰਕਾਰੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81']ਅਵਰੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%80']ਨਹੀ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE']ਦੂਜਾ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95']ਨਾਨਕ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%8F%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%81']ਏਕੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%88']ਸਮਾਈ [/URL]॥੫॥ एकंकारु अवरु नही दूजा नानक एकु समाई ॥५॥ Ėkankār avar nahī ḏūjā Nānak ek samā▫ī. ||5|| There in One Universal Creator Lord; there is no other at all. O Nanak, merge into the One Lord. ||5|| Note: This is Page 930 [/B] Regardless Rajveer Bhaiji, I know that my answer and response isn't satisfactory, and I am pretty sure it doesn't relate to your question, but in my own way. That's why you are a Sikh Rajveer, its not because go to the Gurudwara and listen to the Guru Granth Sahib, but you are simply a student trying to realize the truth for yourself. Regardless, good luck on your journey friend and I hope you will seek all the answers you want. In a nutshell, I just follow Sikhi as a philosophy, and I was in the same doubts as you. I had an existental crisis, and had a depression back in 2015 when I first joined this forum. I was a wavering Agnostic, but I don't know honestly, I just came to peace with it. [/QUOTE]
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