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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 99278" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>Dear All,</p><p>Does this count as "undermining" sikhism ?</p><p>Some on this Forum espouse the very same points about the 5Ks...."useless and should be shunned".</p><p>Just for INFORMATION.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/sarvasankalpasannyasi/5-ks-dhari-granthis-in-dhotis-angvastrams-a-whisper-from-eternity" target="_blank">5 Ks-DHARI GRANTHIS IN DHOTIS / ANGVASTRAMS : A WHISPER FROM ETERNITY | Sangh Parivar</a></p><p> <strong><a href="http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/sarvasankalpasannyasi/5-ks-dhari-granthis-in-dhotis-angvastrams-a-whisper-from-eternity" target="_blank">5 Ks-DHARI GRANTHIS IN DHOTIS / ANGVASTRAMS : A WHISPER FROM ETERNITY</a></strong></p><p></p><p> Submitted by sarvasankalpasa... on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:17. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog-tags/har-har-mahadev-i" target="_blank">HAR HAR MAHADEV I</a></li> </ul><p> <p style="text-align: center"> </p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p>Kesha, Kacchhaa, Karaa, Krpaan and Kanghaa are the symbols of the so-called Sikh sect, founded by Shri GuruGovind Singh who happened to be a highly revered patriot, saint, scholar, a legendary renunciator and one of the greatest protectors of the Hindu-s in Bharatvarsha. This great soul, a great son of Bharatvarsha propounded the sect for the same cause, for the same reason for which Swami Ramakrishna Paramhamsa incarnated in this country, for which Swami Vivekananda took up the cudgels, for which Dr. Hedgewar offered himself as an oblation into the flaring crucible of patriotism through Bharatiyataa, for which Netaji Bose shook the British empire, for which Martyrs Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, Sukhdev and Azad hanged themselves, for which Martyr Udham Singh knocked the brains out of the head of Micheal O'Dyer...Veer Savarkar...Mangal Pandey..it is a long story to recount.</p><p> 5 Ks were the foundation of a martial group focused on protecting Hindu-s from the brutalities of those oppressors who came from abroad with very wrong intentions. They accomplished their objectives with great finesse, earning a highly venerable slot in the history of contemporary Bharatvarsha by resisting effectively and neutralising those evil forces. After attainment of the political freedom from the foreign rulers, a unified country was carved out based on democratic ideals wherein equality before law was constitutionally assured. All the martial groups were supposed to have been sustituted by the armed forces, then.</p><p> This group of 5 Ks was neither merged nor disbanded. Instead, it was rechristened as a separate religion with completely independent moorings and race !!! Sikhs as a different race ??? How absurd !!! Out of the 5 Ks, every Hindu is a Keshdhari, every Hindu wears Kacchhaa, innumerable Hindu-s sport Karaa for various reasons, Krpaan had been a common weapon of defence for innumerable Hindu-s and every Keshdhari Hindu uses Kanghaa for grooming his hairline...carrying Hindu names and castes, in what way are they different from the mainstream (?) Hindu-s ?? Which page of the Guru Grantha Saheb does not bear the names of Ram, Krsna or Shiva ? <strong>The great saint Guru Nanak was an ardent devotee of Bhagawan Shiva and the Golden Temple at Amritsar is His revered seat, A SHIVALAYA for sure !!!</strong> That was the very foundation on the basis of which Master Tara Singh was firmly rebuffed by the first Union Home Minister Sardar Patel, on his demand of a Panjabi Suba.</p><p> The 5 Ks, after losing their relevance and utility in the present context, drifted towards separatism and isolationism, a development that was extremely unfortunate. Our western enemies thrived on that, leading to the rivers of Hindu ( so-called Sikhs included ) blood flowing through the land of Panjab, sacred for reasons very much different from these.</p><p> The 5 Ks have been giving rise to another group of hurdles for them. <strong>Almost everywhere in the world, they are suspects owing to the rising prevalence of terrorism</strong>. In several cases, they are suspected as Osama Bin Laden, mobbed and lynched to the utter mortification of the symbols of the so-called Sikhism. In France, so-called Sikh school-kids have been hounded out of their schools. In the United Kingdom, they had to resort to litigation for ensuring 'turban-rights'. In New Zealand too, they are at Krpan-drawn with the Government authorities. </p><p> The so-called Sikh community must now gradually move towards merging their identities, alongwith their symbols into the non-sectarian, mainstream Hindu fold. They have been strayed away far too long. Sectarianism and isolationism cause decay while broadbased mainstreaming leads to all round nurturing, consolidation and resurgence. The evil of sectarianism has brought all round disaster to the muslims so much so that innumerable of them have been cursing their fate, as to why they were born as muslims at all !! Nowdays, it is not very difficult to spot such grieving muslims.</p><p> The 5 Ks may continue over and above the elegant Dhoti-s and Angvastram-s, adorned with Tripunda Tilakam.<strong> Let it be mandatory for all Granthi-s in all Gurudwara-s of the world to sport Dhoti-s and Angvastram-s, instead of the muslim outfit of Kurta/Payjama. Wherever prohibited, they should shun turban.</strong>This symbolism shall go a long way in the right direction. I would like to see more and more so-called Sikhs visiting temples, conducting Puja, with or without turban, with or without the 5 Ks in this Bharatiya outfit. Hindu-s have already been flocking to Gurudwara-s in hordes hence, there is no sense in advising them anything in this regard.</p><p> I SHALL CONTINUE TO HOLD MY UNFULFILLED DESIRE OF BEHOLDING A DHOTI-CLAD 'SIKH' WITH ANGVASTRAM & TURBAN !!!</p><p> </p><p> VANDE MATARAM I</p><p> RAMAKANT TIWARI</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 99278, member: 189"] Dear All, Does this count as "undermining" sikhism ? Some on this Forum espouse the very same points about the 5Ks...."useless and should be shunned". Just for INFORMATION. [URL="http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/sarvasankalpasannyasi/5-ks-dhari-granthis-in-dhotis-angvastrams-a-whisper-from-eternity"]5 Ks-DHARI GRANTHIS IN DHOTIS / ANGVASTRAMS : A WHISPER FROM ETERNITY | Sangh Parivar[/URL] [B][URL="http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog/sarvasankalpasannyasi/5-ks-dhari-granthis-in-dhotis-angvastrams-a-whisper-from-eternity"]5 Ks-DHARI GRANTHIS IN DHOTIS / ANGVASTRAMS : A WHISPER FROM ETERNITY[/URL][/B] Submitted by sarvasankalpasa... on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 12:17. [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.sanghparivar.org/blog-tags/har-har-mahadev-i"]HAR HAR MAHADEV I[/URL] [/LIST] [CENTER] [/CENTER] Kesha, Kacchhaa, Karaa, Krpaan and Kanghaa are the symbols of the so-called Sikh sect, founded by Shri GuruGovind Singh who happened to be a highly revered patriot, saint, scholar, a legendary renunciator and one of the greatest protectors of the Hindu-s in Bharatvarsha. This great soul, a great son of Bharatvarsha propounded the sect for the same cause, for the same reason for which Swami Ramakrishna Paramhamsa incarnated in this country, for which Swami Vivekananda took up the cudgels, for which Dr. Hedgewar offered himself as an oblation into the flaring crucible of patriotism through Bharatiyataa, for which Netaji Bose shook the British empire, for which Martyrs Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, Sukhdev and Azad hanged themselves, for which Martyr Udham Singh knocked the brains out of the head of Micheal O'Dyer...Veer Savarkar...Mangal Pandey..it is a long story to recount. 5 Ks were the foundation of a martial group focused on protecting Hindu-s from the brutalities of those oppressors who came from abroad with very wrong intentions. They accomplished their objectives with great finesse, earning a highly venerable slot in the history of contemporary Bharatvarsha by resisting effectively and neutralising those evil forces. After attainment of the political freedom from the foreign rulers, a unified country was carved out based on democratic ideals wherein equality before law was constitutionally assured. All the martial groups were supposed to have been sustituted by the armed forces, then. This group of 5 Ks was neither merged nor disbanded. Instead, it was rechristened as a separate religion with completely independent moorings and race !!! Sikhs as a different race ??? How absurd !!! Out of the 5 Ks, every Hindu is a Keshdhari, every Hindu wears Kacchhaa, innumerable Hindu-s sport Karaa for various reasons, Krpaan had been a common weapon of defence for innumerable Hindu-s and every Keshdhari Hindu uses Kanghaa for grooming his hairline...carrying Hindu names and castes, in what way are they different from the mainstream (?) Hindu-s ?? Which page of the Guru Grantha Saheb does not bear the names of Ram, Krsna or Shiva ? [B]The great saint Guru Nanak was an ardent devotee of Bhagawan Shiva and the Golden Temple at Amritsar is His revered seat, A SHIVALAYA for sure !!![/B] That was the very foundation on the basis of which Master Tara Singh was firmly rebuffed by the first Union Home Minister Sardar Patel, on his demand of a Panjabi Suba. The 5 Ks, after losing their relevance and utility in the present context, drifted towards separatism and isolationism, a development that was extremely unfortunate. Our western enemies thrived on that, leading to the rivers of Hindu ( so-called Sikhs included ) blood flowing through the land of Panjab, sacred for reasons very much different from these. The 5 Ks have been giving rise to another group of hurdles for them. [B]Almost everywhere in the world, they are suspects owing to the rising prevalence of terrorism[/B]. In several cases, they are suspected as Osama Bin Laden, mobbed and lynched to the utter mortification of the symbols of the so-called Sikhism. In France, so-called Sikh school-kids have been hounded out of their schools. In the United Kingdom, they had to resort to litigation for ensuring 'turban-rights'. In New Zealand too, they are at Krpan-drawn with the Government authorities. The so-called Sikh community must now gradually move towards merging their identities, alongwith their symbols into the non-sectarian, mainstream Hindu fold. They have been strayed away far too long. Sectarianism and isolationism cause decay while broadbased mainstreaming leads to all round nurturing, consolidation and resurgence. The evil of sectarianism has brought all round disaster to the muslims so much so that innumerable of them have been cursing their fate, as to why they were born as muslims at all !! Nowdays, it is not very difficult to spot such grieving muslims. The 5 Ks may continue over and above the elegant Dhoti-s and Angvastram-s, adorned with Tripunda Tilakam.[B] Let it be mandatory for all Granthi-s in all Gurudwara-s of the world to sport Dhoti-s and Angvastram-s, instead of the muslim outfit of Kurta/Payjama. Wherever prohibited, they should shun turban.[/B]This symbolism shall go a long way in the right direction. I would like to see more and more so-called Sikhs visiting temples, conducting Puja, with or without turban, with or without the 5 Ks in this Bharatiya outfit. Hindu-s have already been flocking to Gurudwara-s in hordes hence, there is no sense in advising them anything in this regard. I SHALL CONTINUE TO HOLD MY UNFULFILLED DESIRE OF BEHOLDING A DHOTI-CLAD 'SIKH' WITH ANGVASTRAM & TURBAN !!! VANDE MATARAM I RAMAKANT TIWARI [/QUOTE]
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