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<blockquote data-quote="ax0547" data-source="post: 88489" data-attributes="member: 7183"><p><strong>Re: Translations and Transliterations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib: Issues and Controvers</strong></p><p></p><p><strong><u>BY SANT SINGH KHALSA</u></strong></p><p><strong><u>JAPJI SAHIB</u></strong></p><p><strong><u>4th PAURI</u></strong></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਲਾ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਵੇਲਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਸਚੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਉ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਨਾਉ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਵਡਿਆਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੀਚਾਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਵੀਚਾਰੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">In the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/amrit/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #333333">Amrit</span></a> Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਕਰਮੀ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਵੈ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਆਵੈ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਪੜਾ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਕਪੜਾ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਦਰੀ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਨਦਰੀ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੋਖੁ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਮੋਖੁ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੁਆਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਦੁਆਰੁ </span></a><span style="color: #800000">॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">By the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #333333">Karma</span></a> of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p><strong><u>BY BHAI MOHAN SINGH</u></strong></p><p><strong><u>JAPJI SAHIB</u></strong></p><p><strong><u>4th PAURI</u></strong></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਲਾ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਵੇਲਾ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚੁ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਸਚੁ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਉ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਨਾਉ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਵਡਿਆਈ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੀਚਾਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਵੀਚਾਰੁ </span></a><span style="color: #800000">॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Early in the morning utter the True Name and reflect upon God's greatness.</span></span> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਕਰਮੀ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਵੈ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਆਵੈ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਪੜਾ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਕਪੜਾ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਦਰੀ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਨਦਰੀ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੋਖੁ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਮੋਖੁ </span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੁਆਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800000">ਦੁਆਰੁ </span></a><span style="color: #800000">॥</span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">By Good actions the physical robe is obtained and by the Lord's benediction the gate of salvation.</span></span> </p><p></p><p><strong><u>KHALSA CONCENSUS</u></strong></p><p> </p><p>In the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/amrit/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #333333">Amrit</span></a> Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness. By the <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #333333">Karma</span></a> of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.</p><p> </p><p>___________________________________________________________________</p><p> </p><p>THIS IS WHERE I TOTALLY DISAGREE. KARMA AS DISCUSSED ON " THE GURDIKH PROJECT ON REONCARMNATION" ALSO MEANS BLESSINGS IN URDU. NOW WHICH DEFINTION TO USE HERE?</p><p> </p><p>IN LAST THREE PAURI'S GURU SAHIB IS TALKING ABOTU HUKAM. SO WE ARE UNDER HUKAM AND SHOULD REALIZE/FOLLOW IT. GURU JI IS SHOWING HOW EVERYTING IS WITHIIN HUKAM.</p><p> </p><p>NOW IN OTHER PLACES GURU SAHIB REFERS TO STONES AS A "JUNI" AND ALSO LEAVES OF TREES. DO YOU THINK THEY ARE ABLE TO DO GOOD/BAD ACTIONS - NOPE ANY EDUCATED KID WOULD FIGURE THIS OUT AND GURU SAHIB IS FAR BEYOND. SO THE ONLY MEANING APPLICABLE IS BLESIINGS. I.E. WITH BLESSINGS WE RECIEVE CLOTHING/ROBE ETC AND THORUGH GRACE LIBERATION AS ALL IS WITHIN HUKAM. NEXT LINE MAKES IT CLEAR:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਨਾਨਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਏਵੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਏਵੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਣੀਐ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਜਾਣੀਐ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਭੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਸਭੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਆਪੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਿਆਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਸਚਿਆਰੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">॥੪॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4||</span></span></span> </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਨਾਨਕ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਏਵੈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਏਵੈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਣੀਐ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਜਾਣੀਐ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਭੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਸਭੁ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਆਪੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਿਆਰੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">ਸਚਿਆਰੁ </span></span></a><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">॥੪॥</span></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #000080">Know thus, O Nanak! that the True One is all by Himself.</span></span> </p><p> </p><p>O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. || 4 || </p><p> </p><p>- IF ALL IS ONE HIMSELF THEN WHO IS DOING GOOD AND BAD ACTIONS. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE AS HUMANS HAVE GIVEN MUCH HIGHER THINKING ABILITY AND SO WE HAVE MORE OF FREEWILL TO CHOOSE BETWEEN CHOICES, BUT THAT ALSO WITHIN HUKAM.</p><p> </p><p>___________________________</p><p> </p><p>ALSO, GURU JI NEVER SAID "PAST".</p><p>KAPRA LITERAALY MEANS - CLOTH.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ax0547, post: 88489, member: 7183"] [b]Re: Translations and Transliterations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib: Issues and Controvers[/b] [B][U]BY SANT SINGH KHALSA JAPJI SAHIB 4th PAURI[/U][/B] [B][/B] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਲਾ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਵੇਲਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਸਚੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਉ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਨਾਉ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਵਡਿਆਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੀਚਾਰੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਵੀਚਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]In the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/amrit/"][COLOR=#333333]Amrit[/COLOR][/URL] Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ"][COLOR=#800000]ਕਰਮੀ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਵੈ"][COLOR=#800000]ਆਵੈ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਪੜਾ"][COLOR=#800000]ਕਪੜਾ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਦਰੀ"][COLOR=#800000]ਨਦਰੀ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੋਖੁ"][COLOR=#800000]ਮੋਖੁ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੁਆਰੁ"][COLOR=#800000]ਦੁਆਰੁ [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#800000]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]By the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#333333]Karma[/COLOR][/URL] of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [B][U]BY BHAI MOHAN SINGH JAPJI SAHIB 4th PAURI[/U][/B] [B][/B] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ"][COLOR=#800000]ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੇਲਾ"][COLOR=#800000]ਵੇਲਾ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚੁ"][COLOR=#800000]ਸਚੁ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਉ"][COLOR=#800000]ਨਾਉ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਡਿਆਈ"][COLOR=#800000]ਵਡਿਆਈ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵੀਚਾਰੁ"][COLOR=#800000]ਵੀਚਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#800000]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Early in the morning utter the True Name and reflect upon God's greatness.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਰਮੀ"][COLOR=#800000]ਕਰਮੀ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਵੈ"][COLOR=#800000]ਆਵੈ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਪੜਾ"][COLOR=#800000]ਕਪੜਾ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਦਰੀ"][COLOR=#800000]ਨਦਰੀ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮੋਖੁ"][COLOR=#800000]ਮੋਖੁ [/COLOR][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੁਆਰੁ"][COLOR=#800000]ਦੁਆਰੁ [/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=#800000]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]By Good actions the physical robe is obtained and by the Lord's benediction the gate of salvation.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [B][U]KHALSA CONCENSUS[/U][/B] [B][/B] In the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/amrit/"][COLOR=#333333]Amrit[/COLOR][/URL] Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness. By the [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#333333]Karma[/COLOR][/URL] of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found. ___________________________________________________________________ THIS IS WHERE I TOTALLY DISAGREE. KARMA AS DISCUSSED ON " THE GURDIKH PROJECT ON REONCARMNATION" ALSO MEANS BLESSINGS IN URDU. NOW WHICH DEFINTION TO USE HERE? IN LAST THREE PAURI'S GURU SAHIB IS TALKING ABOTU HUKAM. SO WE ARE UNDER HUKAM AND SHOULD REALIZE/FOLLOW IT. GURU JI IS SHOWING HOW EVERYTING IS WITHIIN HUKAM. NOW IN OTHER PLACES GURU SAHIB REFERS TO STONES AS A "JUNI" AND ALSO LEAVES OF TREES. DO YOU THINK THEY ARE ABLE TO DO GOOD/BAD ACTIONS - NOPE ANY EDUCATED KID WOULD FIGURE THIS OUT AND GURU SAHIB IS FAR BEYOND. SO THE ONLY MEANING APPLICABLE IS BLESIINGS. I.E. WITH BLESSINGS WE RECIEVE CLOTHING/ROBE ETC AND THORUGH GRACE LIBERATION AS ALL IS WITHIN HUKAM. NEXT LINE MAKES IT CLEAR: [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਨਾਨਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਏਵੈ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਏਵੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਣੀਐ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਜਾਣੀਐ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਭੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਸਭੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਆਪੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਿਆਰੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਸਚਿਆਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]॥੪॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਨਾਨਕ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਨਾਨਕ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਏਵੈ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਏਵੈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਾਣੀਐ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਜਾਣੀਐ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਭੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਸਭੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਆਪੇ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਆਪੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸਚਿਆਰੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]ਸਚਿਆਰੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]॥੪॥[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#000080]Know thus, O Nanak! that the True One is all by Himself.[/COLOR][/SIZE] O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. || 4 || - IF ALL IS ONE HIMSELF THEN WHO IS DOING GOOD AND BAD ACTIONS. ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE AS HUMANS HAVE GIVEN MUCH HIGHER THINKING ABILITY AND SO WE HAVE MORE OF FREEWILL TO CHOOSE BETWEEN CHOICES, BUT THAT ALSO WITHIN HUKAM. ___________________________ ALSO, GURU JI NEVER SAID "PAST". KAPRA LITERAALY MEANS - CLOTH. [/QUOTE]
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