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there are no human gurus, only great poets, writers and leaders.

GadarJeet

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The human guru is a Hindu idea. The Granth wanted to strip that idea away of a human guide and make man focus on the one within. People will never understand the truth of Sikh history and what really happened if they keep putting the pretext of "guru" in front of Nanak's name. Calling Nanak a "guru" is blasphemous when his writings discard the human guru and point to the one within the home of the self!
 

seerat

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I think you have totally misunderstood Sahib Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's teachings or may be you are not a Sikh.
Sikh--- means student. Guru--- means Teacher. 'The one within' that you have mentioned in your text---- is God/ almighty/ waheguru/allah/ram-- whatever name you wanna call him by.
A sikh is a disciple of his guru who helps him connect with the One ( God ).
There are 10 human Gurus in Sikhi and last is our Guru Granth Sahib Ji which is not in a human form. After dasam patshah, we don't have any human guru or dehdhaari guru. A Guru is one who teaches you truth, who guide you the right pathway, helps you connect with the ultimate truth i.e; God.
Guru nanak's teachings discard human Gods not human gurus. So, before using such big big words like blasphemy, kindly do a little bit of research. This is a very basic understanding even a kid would know it. no offence.
 

swarn bains

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SGGS page 250 and again page 262



ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ Hymn: ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮਾਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਿਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰਾ ॥

Guru is mother, the father, the master and transcendent Lord.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਖਾ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਬੰਧਿਪ ਸਹੋਦਰਾ ॥

Guru is a friend the destroyer of ignorance, a relative and a brother.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਦਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਨਿਰੋਧਰਾ ॥

Guru is bestowal, teacher of God’s name. Guru’s lesson is distinct.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਾਂਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਬੁਧਿ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਾਰਸ ਪਰਸ ਪਰਾ ॥

Guru is the image of peace truth and intellect. Guru is touchstone that transforms.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰੋਵਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਜਨੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਾ ॥

Guru is a shrine, pool of nectar; to attain divine knowledge is beyond imagination.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਭਿ ਪਾਪ ਹਰਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਤਿਤ ਪਵਿਤ ਕਰਾ ॥

Guru is the Creator, the destroyer of sins; Guru purifies the sinners.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਆਦਿ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਉਧਰਾ ॥

Guru exists from the beginning, for a long time, for ages. Reciting God through guru’s teaching attains salvation.

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਲਿ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਹਮਮੂੜ ਪਾਪੀ ਜਿਤੁ ਲਗਿ ਤਰਾ ॥

O God; unite me with guru by your grace; that I the sinner swim across holding on to him

ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਰਾ ॥੧॥

Guru the true guru the God the transcendent Lord the guru; Nanak prays and pays his regard to guru the God. ||1||

ਏਹੁ ਸਲੋਕੁ ਆਦਿ ਅੰਤਿ ਪੜਣਾ ॥

Read this hymn in the beginning, and the end
 

swarn bains

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sggs page 141
ਪਉੜੀ ॥ Pauri; ਇਕਿ ਰਤਨ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਵਣਜਦੇ ਇਕਿ ਕਚੈ ਦੇ ਵਾਪਾਰਾ ॥

Some trade in priceless jewels, while others deal in mere glass.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਤੁਠੈ ਪਾਈਅਨਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਰਤਨ ਭੰਡਾਰਾ ॥

The treasure of jewels in you is realized by guru’s grace.

ਵਿਣੁ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਲਧਿਆ ਅੰਧੇ ਭਉਕਿ ਮੁਏ ਕੂੜਿਆਰਾ ॥

Nobody found it without the guru. The blind the false died barking like a dog.

ਮਨਮੁਖ ਦੂਜੈ ਪਚਿ ਮੁਏ ਨਾ ਬੂਝਹਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਾ ॥

The self-willed died stuck in duality without understanding anything.

ਇਕਸੁ ਬਾਝਹੁ ਦੂਜਾ ਕੋ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਿਸੁ ਅਗੈ ਕਰਹਿ ਪੁਕਾਰਾ ॥

Without God, there is no other; to whom should they complain?

ਇਕਿ ਨਿਰਧਨ ਸਦਾ ਭਉਕਦੇ ਇਕਨਾ ਭਰੇ ਤੁਜਾਰਾ

Some poor keep crying all the time, while others have stores full of wealth.

ਵਿਣੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਹੋਰੁ ਧਨੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਹੋਰੁ ਬਿਖਿਆ ਸਭੁ ਛਾਰਾ ॥

Without God's name, there is no other wealth. Everything else is just false ashes.

ਨਾਨਕ ਆਪਿ ਕਰਾਏ ਕਰੇ ਆਪਿ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਵਾਰਣਹਾਰਾ ॥੭॥

O Nanak, the Lord acts, and causes others to act through His command. ||7||
ਗੁਰ ਸੰਤੋਖ ਬਿਰਖ

ਧਰਮ ਫੁੱਲ ਫਲ ਗਿਆਨ
 

swarn bains

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sggs page 168
Page 168 ਗਉੜੀ ਬੈਰਾਗਣਿ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥ Gauree Bairaagan, Fourth Mahalla:

ਜਿਉ ਜਨਨੀ ਸੁਤੁ ਜਣਿ ਪਾਲਤੀ ਰਾਖੈ ਨਦਰਿ ਮਝਾਰਿ ॥

As the mother, gave birth to a son, feeds him and keeps him in her vision

ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਦੇ ਗਿਰਾਸੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਪੋਚਾਰਿ ॥

Inside out she puts food in his mouth and caresses him all the time.

ਤਿਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਰਾਖਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਪਿਆਰਿ ॥੧॥

Same way the guru takes care of the devotee that loves God.

ਮੇਰੇ ਰਾਮਹਮਬਾਰਿਕ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੇ ਹੈ ਇਆਣੇ

O my Lord, we are just the ignorant children of our Lord.

ਧੰਨੁ ਧੰਨੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਧਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਦੇ ਕੀਏ ਸਿਆਣੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Great is the guru the teacher who made us wise, teaching about God. ||1||Pause||

ਜੈਸੀ ਗਗਨਿ ਫਿਰੰਤੀ ਊਡਤੀ ਕਪਰੇ ਬਾਗੇ ਵਾਲੀ

As the white bird flies in the sky!

ਓਹ ਰਾਖੈ ਚੀਤੁ ਪੀਛੈ ਬਿਚਿ ਬਚਰੇ ਨਿਤ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਸਾਰਿ ਸਮਾਲੀ ॥

She keeps her mind in the chicks left behind all the time

ਤਿਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਿਖ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਿਖ ਰਖੈ ਜੀਅ ਨਾਲੀ ॥੨॥

So is love between the guru and devotee. The guru keeps the devotee in his mind all the time. ||2||
 

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Page 172 ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਰਮਈਆ ਰਮਤ ਰਾਮਰਾਇ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੇ ॥

God dwells in everyone; realized by reciting His name through guru’s teaching.

ਹਉ ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਦੇਵਉ ਕਾਟਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਉ ਮੇਰਾ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਭਉ ਗੁਰ ਬਚਨੀ ਭਾਗੇ ॥੨॥

I cut and offer my mind and body to the guru, who eliminated my fear and doubt. ||2||

ਅੰਧਿਆਰੈ ਦੀਪਕ ਆਨਿ ਜਲਾਏ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੇ ॥

Attuning to guru’s teaching; the divine light has been lit in the dark.

ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਅੰਧੇਰਾ ਬਿਨਸਿ ਬਿਨਾਸਿਓ ਘਰਿ ਵਸਤੁ ਲਹੀ ਮਨ ਜਾਗੇ ॥੩॥

The darkness of ignorance has been eradicated; the mind has awakened and attained the real merchandise right at home.

ਸਾਕਤ ਬਧਿਕ ਮਾਇਆਧਾਰੀ ਤਿਨ ਜਮਜੋਹਨਿ ਲਾਗੇ ॥

The faithless that hunts for the worldly wealth is hunted by the messenger of death!

ਉਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਆਗੈ ਸੀਸੁ ਨ ਬੇਚਿਆ ਓਇ ਆਵਹਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਅਭਾਗੇ ॥੪॥

Those who do not self-surrender to guru are unfortunate; they keep coming and going. ||4||

ਹਮਰਾ ਬਿਨਉ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਹਮਸਰਣਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਹਰਿ ਮਾਗੇ ॥

O God; listen to my prayer. I am begging for the sanctuary of God.

ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੀ ਲਜ ਪਾਤਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਸਿਰੁ ਬੇਚਿਓ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਆਗੇ ॥੫॥੧੦॥੨੪॥੬੨॥

Guru is the honor and respect of mortal Nanak who sold himself to the guru.

||5||10||24||62||
i do path 4 pages every day . Sggs is written by living gurus. i only find the teachings of the living gurus. i am trying to find sabad guru but i have no luck. if some one can guide me to sabad guru where it is in the sggs
 

A_seeker

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sabad is gurus teaching in terms of a lesson to recite and try to understand and follow
by the way where do you live
First you say there is no guru without shabad ,shabad is gurus guide .

Than you say shabad is gurus teaching .

Please decide whether shabad is "updesh" or " updeshta"
 

swarn bains

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Page 229 ਗਉੜੀ ਮਹਲਾ ਪਹਲਾ॥ Gauree, First Mahalla:

ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਬੂਝਿ ਲੇ ਤਉ ਹੋਇ ਨਿਬੇਰਾ ॥

Realize it by guru’s grace. Then only you will be freed.

ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਾ ਸੋ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ॥੧॥

God who abides in every home is my Lord! ||1||

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦ ਨ ਛੂਟੀਐ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਾ ॥

Cannot be freed without guru’s teaching; find out?

ਜੇ ਲਖ ਕਰਮਕਮਾਵਹੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਅੰਧਿਆਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

you may do millions of rituals, but without guru it is all dark; ||1||Pause||

ਅੰਧੇ ਅਕਲੀ ਬਾਹਰੇ ਕਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਸਿਉ ਕਹੀਐ

What can you say to the spiritually blind?

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਪੰਥੁ ਨ ਸੂਝਈ ਕਿਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਨਿਰਬਹੀਐ ॥੨॥

Without the guru, the path cannot be seen. How can anyone proceed? ||2||
 

swarn bains

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ਕਰਮ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ਧਰਮ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ, ਸਾਰ ਨ ਜਾਣਾ ਤੇਰੀ
I do not know about deeds or faith, I do not know about you
ਸਭ ਤੋਂ ਵੱਡਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ. ਜਿਨ ਕਲ ਰਾਖੀ ਮੇਰੀ
But Nanak's guru is the greatest of all, who takes care of me

There is no sabad or updes without the guru. SOMEBODY HAS TO UTTER UPDES OR SABAD. then it becomes sabad or updes. Six gurus who wrote in sggs, five of them had living guru, but i do not know about Nanak sahib. whoever wrote sabad guru is not among them.
i also think what sabad guru refers to but argument increases
 

swarn bains

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ਮੋਹਨ ਤੇਰੇ ਬਚਨ ਅਨੂਪ ਚਾਲ ਨਿਰਾਲੀ ॥

O beloved, your sacred words are special, wondrous are your ways.

SGGs page 248
ਮੋਹਨ ਤੂੰ ਮਾਨਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਜੀ ਅਵਰ ਸਭ ਰਾਲੀ ॥

O beloved, consoling with you is consoling with one Lord; everything else is like dust.

ਮਾਨਹਿ ਤ ਏਕੁ ਅਲੇਖੁ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਜਿਨਹਿ ਸਭ ਕਲ ਧਾਰੀਆ ॥

Contemplate One God in the mind; He who created the creation.

ਤੁਧੁ ਬਚਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਆ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਬਨਵਾਰੀਆ ॥

you put your sacred word under guru’s control, O Primal being, the Lord of the world.

ਤੂੰ ਆਪਿ ਚਲਿਆ ਆਪਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਆਪਿ ਸਭ ਕਲ ਧਾਰੀਆ ॥

you came into being on your own. you are on your own. you created the creation.

ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਪੈਜ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਸਭ ਸੇਵਕ ਸਰਨਿ ਤੁਮਾਰੀਆ ॥੨॥

Protect honor of humble Nanak that came to your sanctuary. ||2||
 

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ਮਾਨਹਿ ਤ ਏਕੁ ਅਲੇਖੁ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਜਿਨਹਿ ਸਭ ਕਲ ਧਾਰੀਆ ॥

Sikhs don't understand what Nanak's thakur is ..

They project their own fantasy God on to their Guru..
 
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swarn bains

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i did not understand what you ment. by the way i requested earlier where you live. may be we do not live far from each other
 
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