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The World Of Words By I J Singh
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<blockquote data-quote="mandemeet" data-source="post: 164851" data-attributes="member: 17682"><p><strong><span style="color: black">Respected Parkash Singh ji</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">I feel you have some valid points to be taken seriously, but you are also become stagnant in understanding Gurbani. When the words you point out to be reconsidered as vital in understanding Gurbani, you forget how those words are also used with exceptions. I agree with you and I also strongly disagree with you when with your strict rule, it becomes utterly hard to understand Gurbani.</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Alright, why below Har Har is also looked as Har nectar that Har becomes? (I refer to Japji to understand this verse)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਹਰਿ</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਹਰਿ</span></strong><span style="color: black">ਹਰਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਰਸੁ</span><span style="color: black">ਆਪਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਹੈ</span><span style="color: black">ਆਪੇ</span><span style="color: black">ਹਰਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਰਸੁ</span><span style="color: black">ਹੋਇ</span><span style="color: black">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Har har har ras āp hai āpe har ras ho▫e.</span></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">ਆਪੇ</span><span style="color: black">ਹਰਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਰਸੁ</span><span style="color: black">ਹੋਇ, look at this.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p> <strong>Let me give another example how the Guru takes exception from restricting words</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p> <strong>On 41</strong></p><p> <span style="color: black">ਹਉ</span><span style="color: black">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span><span style="color: black">ਵਿਟਹੁ</span><span style="color: black">ਵਾਰਿਆ</span><span style="color: black">ਜਿਨਿ</span><strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਹਰਿ</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਪ੍ਰਭ</span></strong><span style="color: black">ੁ</span><span style="color: black">ਦੀਆ</span><span style="color: black">ਦਿਖਾਇ</span><span style="color: black">॥</span><span style="color: black">੧</span><span style="color: black">॥</span><span style="color: black">ਰਹਾਉ</span><span style="color: black">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ha▫o saṯgur vitahu vāri▫ā jin har parabẖ ḏī▫ā ḏikẖā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Har Prabh (with ounkud)</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: black">On 95</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਹਰਿ</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਪ੍ਰਭ</span></strong><span style="color: black">ਅਗਮ</span><span style="color: black">ਅਗੋਚਰ</span><span style="color: black">ਸੁਆਮੀ</span><span style="color: black">ਮਿਲਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span><span style="color: black">ਹਰਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਰਸੁ</span><span style="color: black">ਕੀਚੈ</span><span style="color: black">ਜੀਉ</span><span style="color: black">॥</span><span style="color: black">੧</span><span style="color: black">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Har parabẖ agam agocẖar su▫āmī mil saṯgur har ras kīcẖai jī▫o. ||1||</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px">Har Prabh (without ounkud)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">In both above verses, Har Prabh and Har Prabh(u) are used for the same entity. Why?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Kindly give me example from Sri Guru Granth Sahib after leaving an example of Bhatt Ballya’s verse (on 1404) because that doesn’t state what you say.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Kindly prove it through Gurbani quotes, a single quote will do.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>I have used Akalpurakh for Prabh, you say Akalpurakh is not used often in Gurbani, but you forget that the words on which you are building your understanding do not exist exactly in Sri Guru Granth Sahib; for example Prabh jyoti and Gur jyoti are not used to define Ekkankar/Akalpurakh/Prabh at all. Yes, Gur jyoti is referred in context of Human Gurus transferring their jyoti as a Guru to another (1409). You should give examples from Gurbani as I give because you say what you say is all from Gurbani. What I am saying that you are splitting hair; it doesn’t matter how many times “Akalpurakh” is used for Prabh, does it?. Sir,You don’t pick on words and lower their significance in context of other words; you should focus on what is being discussed.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>NO sir, it is also used without ounkud, look on 212</strong></p><p></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਅਕਾਲ</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555">ਪੁਰਖ</span></strong><span style="color: black">ਅਗਾਧਿ</span><span style="color: black">ਬੋਧ</span><span style="color: black">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Akāl purakẖ agāḏẖ boḏẖ</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p></p><p><strong>With respect, I disagree. Akalpurakh is used in context of Prabh. Prabh Jyoti is not found defined as you claim in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, if it does, kindly give me a quote, I will love to see that.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>With regards,</strong></p><p><strong>mandemeet</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mandemeet, post: 164851, member: 17682"] [B][COLOR=black]Respected Parkash Singh ji[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black]I feel you have some valid points to be taken seriously, but you are also become stagnant in understanding Gurbani. When the words you point out to be reconsidered as vital in understanding Gurbani, you forget how those words are also used with exceptions. I agree with you and I also strongly disagree with you when with your strict rule, it becomes utterly hard to understand Gurbani.[/COLOR][/B] [B]Alright, why below Har Har is also looked as Har nectar that Har becomes? (I refer to Japji to understand this verse) [/B] [B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਰਸੁ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਆਪਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਹੈ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਆਪੇ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਰਸੁ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਹੋਇ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Har har har ras āp hai āpe har ras ho▫e.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] ਆਪੇ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਰਸੁ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਹੋਇ, look at this. [/COLOR] [B]Let me give another example how the Guru takes exception from restricting words [/B] [B]On 41[/B] [COLOR=black]ਹਉ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਵਿਟਹੁ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਵਾਰਿਆ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਜਿਨਿ[/COLOR][B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਪ੍ਰਭ[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black]ੁ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਦੀਆ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਦਿਖਾਇ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR][COLOR=black]੧[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਰਹਾਉ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Ha▫o saṯgur vitahu vāri▫ā jin har parabẖ ḏī▫ā ḏikẖā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Har Prabh (with ounkud) [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black]On 95[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਪ੍ਰਭ[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black]ਅਗਮ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਅਗੋਚਰ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਸੁਆਮੀ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਮਿਲਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਹਰਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਰਸੁ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਕੀਚੈ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਜੀਉ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR][COLOR=black]੧[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Har parabẖ agam agocẖar su▫āmī mil saṯgur har ras kīcẖai jī▫o. ||1||[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][SIZE=3]Har Prabh (without ounkud) [/SIZE] [/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black]In both above verses, Har Prabh and Har Prabh(u) are used for the same entity. Why? [/COLOR][/B] [B]Kindly give me example from Sri Guru Granth Sahib after leaving an example of Bhatt Ballya’s verse (on 1404) because that doesn’t state what you say. [/B] [B]Kindly prove it through Gurbani quotes, a single quote will do. [/B] [B]I have used Akalpurakh for Prabh, you say Akalpurakh is not used often in Gurbani, but you forget that the words on which you are building your understanding do not exist exactly in Sri Guru Granth Sahib; for example Prabh jyoti and Gur jyoti are not used to define Ekkankar/Akalpurakh/Prabh at all. Yes, Gur jyoti is referred in context of Human Gurus transferring their jyoti as a Guru to another (1409). You should give examples from Gurbani as I give because you say what you say is all from Gurbani. What I am saying that you are splitting hair; it doesn’t matter how many times “Akalpurakh” is used for Prabh, does it?. Sir,You don’t pick on words and lower their significance in context of other words; you should focus on what is being discussed. [/B] [B]NO sir, it is also used without ounkud, look on 212[/B] [B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਅਕਾਲ[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555]ਪੁਰਖ[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black]ਅਗਾਧਿ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]ਬੋਧ[/COLOR][COLOR=black]॥[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Akāl purakẖ agāḏẖ boḏẖ [/COLOR] [B]With respect, I disagree. Akalpurakh is used in context of Prabh. Prabh Jyoti is not found defined as you claim in Sri Guru Granth Sahib, if it does, kindly give me a quote, I will love to see that.[/B] [B] With regards, mandemeet [/B] [/QUOTE]
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