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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 208623" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>I do not recall saying I was a non Sikh, I may have said I am not the same Sikh that you are, but I consider myself very much a Sikh. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>hmm different to the individual maybe, but it would appear your state of naam could be another's tenth gate. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>unless there is a definitive state that we can refer to, they are just words. Three states that cannot be described, largely due to the fact that they are personal, do not deserve three different words. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, lets run with the analogy, but remember it is yours not mine. </p><p></p><p>The one moon, I assume is the tenth gate, the reflections are the many different ways that people perceive it. However the reflections may be distorted, incomplete and not a true likeness, a mirror image at best, but still an image. So if I ask about the tenth gate, if I ask you about what the moon looks like, you will tell me, and when I compare it to the moon in the sky, I see your description is completely wrong, the craters that you describe as being on the left, are actually on the right, everything you are describing is actually reversed on the true image. Therefore what weight can I give your description? and how can I learn about the tenth gate from more than one person, each description will be different, if I were to describe the moon without looking at it, and rely on say a dozen descriptions based on mirror incomplete images, I may well be surprised when I see the true moon. Perhaps if folks stopped pretending to know what naam, the tenth gate and rising kundalini is, and merely described their own image instead, it might make the situation clearer. </p><p></p><p></p><p>but they are words, so they are in the formal logic domain, two people who claim to have opened the tenth gate could well be having two very different experiences, so the words 'tenth gate' mean nothing in the formal logic domain. </p><p></p><p></p><p>well hang on a minute, your definitions of the above is different, and so is everyone else's, which rather renders the words as pointless. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no problem with this, although I like your choice of words, stargate to the infinitive.... </p><p></p><p>What you are saying is that those in the know, will understand, what I am saying is that they won't, they will just understand their own personal experience, to be honest, your supporting my argument, to have one word that correctly describes a deeply personal spiritual experience seems pointless, unless of course the tenth gate is not a deeply personal experience, unless the tenth gate is a definitive description of something, but then what is this definitive description, so which is it Originalji, is it a standard experience or a deeply personal one?</p><p></p><p></p><p>you mean when one is in consonance? According to bani, how does one open the tenth gate? How does bani describe the tenth gate? </p><p></p><p></p><p>What then is a state of Naam?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I will repeat my question, how can one tell the difference? May I ask you personally, have you opened the tenth gate, have you risen your kundalini, and have you experienced the state of naam?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Good Morning,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 208623, member: 14641"] I do not recall saying I was a non Sikh, I may have said I am not the same Sikh that you are, but I consider myself very much a Sikh. hmm different to the individual maybe, but it would appear your state of naam could be another's tenth gate. unless there is a definitive state that we can refer to, they are just words. Three states that cannot be described, largely due to the fact that they are personal, do not deserve three different words. Ok, lets run with the analogy, but remember it is yours not mine. The one moon, I assume is the tenth gate, the reflections are the many different ways that people perceive it. However the reflections may be distorted, incomplete and not a true likeness, a mirror image at best, but still an image. So if I ask about the tenth gate, if I ask you about what the moon looks like, you will tell me, and when I compare it to the moon in the sky, I see your description is completely wrong, the craters that you describe as being on the left, are actually on the right, everything you are describing is actually reversed on the true image. Therefore what weight can I give your description? and how can I learn about the tenth gate from more than one person, each description will be different, if I were to describe the moon without looking at it, and rely on say a dozen descriptions based on mirror incomplete images, I may well be surprised when I see the true moon. Perhaps if folks stopped pretending to know what naam, the tenth gate and rising kundalini is, and merely described their own image instead, it might make the situation clearer. but they are words, so they are in the formal logic domain, two people who claim to have opened the tenth gate could well be having two very different experiences, so the words 'tenth gate' mean nothing in the formal logic domain. well hang on a minute, your definitions of the above is different, and so is everyone else's, which rather renders the words as pointless. I have no problem with this, although I like your choice of words, stargate to the infinitive.... What you are saying is that those in the know, will understand, what I am saying is that they won't, they will just understand their own personal experience, to be honest, your supporting my argument, to have one word that correctly describes a deeply personal spiritual experience seems pointless, unless of course the tenth gate is not a deeply personal experience, unless the tenth gate is a definitive description of something, but then what is this definitive description, so which is it Originalji, is it a standard experience or a deeply personal one? you mean when one is in consonance? According to bani, how does one open the tenth gate? How does bani describe the tenth gate? What then is a state of Naam? I will repeat my question, how can one tell the difference? May I ask you personally, have you opened the tenth gate, have you risen your kundalini, and have you experienced the state of naam? Good Morning, [/QUOTE]
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