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<blockquote data-quote="Kully" data-source="post: 211043" data-attributes="member: 20967"><p>I have been through more of this book and found another 2 references to Brahmans. One is a quote from DG, and the other reference is the same “Uttam jama Brahman ka”, where Chibber is saying that although he is born in the high caste of Brahman, known for its learning and knowledge, he is absolutely devoid of knowledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Chibber goes further on this and says that it was down to the Guru’s kirpa only that he has been able to write this book. Nowhere in the book has Chibber stated that he is proud of being a Brahman. He profusely states that he is a Sikh and has no other Guru except the Guru. He also repeatedly tells others to accept the Guru and follow the Guru’s teachings.</p><p></p><p>It is complete nonsense to say that Chibber had some kind of Brahman agenda in writing this book, or that he had any kind of pride of being a Brahman. There is no suggestion of either at all in this book. Time and time again he says that his only refuge is at the Guru’s feet.</p><p></p><p>It feels that some people have seized on Chibber’s being of Brahman caste to try and negate the valuable history that we find in his book. Can’t argue with the information being presented? Then try and discredit the person presenting the info.</p><p>[doublepost=1477992131,1477991985][/doublepost]</p><p></p><p>Swaran Ji, what is wrong with discussion? These things should be discussed. It's how we can learn and share our information. No-one is forced to reply.</p><p>[doublepost=1477992280][/doublepost]</p><p></p><p>I agree that there is a distinction between spirituality and intellectual study. </p><p></p><p>But intellectual study involves studying and analysing. It doesn't, or should not involve spreading of wrong or false information.</p><p>[doublepost=1477992737][/doublepost]</p><p></p><p>I presented a quote from DG which you never responded to. However this one is one that Sikh read every day as part of their Nitnem. </p><p></p><p>What would a Brahman (or any other Hindu) wish to achieve by writing this:</p><p></p><p>ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥</p><p>ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥</p><p></p><p>O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept them.</p><p></p><p>ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥</p><p></p><p>The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863.</p><p></p><p>DG page 642 (on searchgurbani)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kully, post: 211043, member: 20967"] I have been through more of this book and found another 2 references to Brahmans. One is a quote from DG, and the other reference is the same “Uttam jama Brahman ka”, where Chibber is saying that although he is born in the high caste of Brahman, known for its learning and knowledge, he is absolutely devoid of knowledge. Chibber goes further on this and says that it was down to the Guru’s kirpa only that he has been able to write this book. Nowhere in the book has Chibber stated that he is proud of being a Brahman. He profusely states that he is a Sikh and has no other Guru except the Guru. He also repeatedly tells others to accept the Guru and follow the Guru’s teachings. It is complete nonsense to say that Chibber had some kind of Brahman agenda in writing this book, or that he had any kind of pride of being a Brahman. There is no suggestion of either at all in this book. Time and time again he says that his only refuge is at the Guru’s feet. It feels that some people have seized on Chibber’s being of Brahman caste to try and negate the valuable history that we find in his book. Can’t argue with the information being presented? Then try and discredit the person presenting the info. [doublepost=1477992131,1477991985][/doublepost] Swaran Ji, what is wrong with discussion? These things should be discussed. It's how we can learn and share our information. No-one is forced to reply. [doublepost=1477992280][/doublepost] I agree that there is a distinction between spirituality and intellectual study. But intellectual study involves studying and analysing. It doesn't, or should not involve spreading of wrong or false information. [doublepost=1477992737][/doublepost] I presented a quote from DG which you never responded to. However this one is one that Sikh read every day as part of their Nitnem. What would a Brahman (or any other Hindu) wish to achieve by writing this: ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥ ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept them. ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥ The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863. DG page 642 (on searchgurbani) [/QUOTE]
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