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The References To Brahmans In Bansavalinama
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<blockquote data-quote="Kully" data-source="post: 210899" data-attributes="member: 20967"><p>Given how the previous topic on Bansawalinama turned out, I am not going to post anymore of this work after this post. I am going to post up my translation on “Chibber being a Brahman” which was quoted by Harkiran Ji in her post. It’s a shame that the topic was closed, but it really got out of hand. I am going to post my translations of the verses that Harkiran Ji used but make what you want of them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Please please do not post off topic as it will serve no purpose whatsoever.</p><p>[doublepost=1476915541,1476915344][/doublepost][ATTACH=full]20032[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p><u><strong>-- “Brahmin’s form is superior” Bansawalinama. 14, 630</strong></u></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Let’s take this verse from #628</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Kesar Singh Chibber is a fool, to look at he is very handsome</p><p></p><p>To look at he is very pure, but inside he is very filthy (628)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To look at he is a freshly minted coin, but inside he is base and empty</p><p></p><p>To look at he is gleaming silver, but inside he is very filthy (629)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>To look at he is a wise person, but inside he is very ignorant</p><p></p><p>He looks fine sitting in an assembly, but his mind is full of vikaars</p><p></p><p>His body is a high Brahman caste, but he has no knowledge or learning ability</p><p></p><p>To look at he looks like a wise soul, but his mind is full of vikaars (630)</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]20033[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>And then on to:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><u><strong>-- According to his will, one may remove Janju [Hindu holy thread] or wear it. Ibid, 10, 492</strong></u></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is actually verse 493 we should be looking at which reads:</p><p></p><p>“The four varnas have come into the Guru’s Panth.</p><p></p><p>If one discards his Janju, he should not be told to wear it.</p><p></p><p>If one wears a Janju he should not be told to lose it (493)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This verse is about people having the right to practise their religion, freedom of religion. how do we know? Read the verses from 890 and you will see what Chibber is talking about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]20034[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p></p><p>And lastly:</p><p></p><p></p><p><u><strong></strong></u></p><p><u><strong>-- The Brahmin who is a Sikh, accord him high respect and honour. Ibid, 10, 354</strong></u></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sending fruits and hukumnamas to various countries</p><p></p><p>Do not accept the authority of the masands and minas, A Sikh should follow the rehit of the Guru</p><p></p><p>Those who are Brahman Sikhs, give them great respect and honour (354)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Chibber goes on to say why in the next verse…</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kully, post: 210899, member: 20967"] Given how the previous topic on Bansawalinama turned out, I am not going to post anymore of this work after this post. I am going to post up my translation on “Chibber being a Brahman” which was quoted by Harkiran Ji in her post. It’s a shame that the topic was closed, but it really got out of hand. I am going to post my translations of the verses that Harkiran Ji used but make what you want of them. Please please do not post off topic as it will serve no purpose whatsoever. [doublepost=1476915541,1476915344][/doublepost][ATTACH=full]20032[/ATTACH] [U][B]-- “Brahmin’s form is superior” Bansawalinama. 14, 630[/B][/U] Let’s take this verse from #628 Kesar Singh Chibber is a fool, to look at he is very handsome To look at he is very pure, but inside he is very filthy (628) To look at he is a freshly minted coin, but inside he is base and empty To look at he is gleaming silver, but inside he is very filthy (629) To look at he is a wise person, but inside he is very ignorant He looks fine sitting in an assembly, but his mind is full of vikaars His body is a high Brahman caste, but he has no knowledge or learning ability To look at he looks like a wise soul, but his mind is full of vikaars (630) [ATTACH=full]20033[/ATTACH] And then on to: [U][B]-- According to his will, one may remove Janju [Hindu holy thread] or wear it. Ibid, 10, 492[/B][/U] This is actually verse 493 we should be looking at which reads: “The four varnas have come into the Guru’s Panth. If one discards his Janju, he should not be told to wear it. If one wears a Janju he should not be told to lose it (493) This verse is about people having the right to practise their religion, freedom of religion. how do we know? Read the verses from 890 and you will see what Chibber is talking about. [ATTACH=full]20034[/ATTACH] And lastly: [U][B] -- The Brahmin who is a Sikh, accord him high respect and honour. Ibid, 10, 354[/B][/U] Sending fruits and hukumnamas to various countries Do not accept the authority of the masands and minas, A Sikh should follow the rehit of the Guru Those who are Brahman Sikhs, give them great respect and honour (354) Chibber goes on to say why in the next verse… [/QUOTE]
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