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<blockquote data-quote="Ram_Muni" data-source="post: 221238" data-attributes="member: 24289"><p>Ram Ram</p><p></p><p>[USER=2479]@drdpsn[/USER] I would first like to ask you to put down the 3HO koolaid and not equate this "<em>Yogi</em> Bhajan" to my Daada Guru BaBa Sri chand. Yes the places established by this man had many pictures of BaBa. There were also many pictures of Guru Nanak im sure and he gave many people the name Khalsa however that dose not make them so. Just as putting up pictures of BaBa dose not make him an Udasi. He never took Guru Diksha From an Udasi sant and he proclaimed himself a false 11th Guru. now let me teach you a few things about BaBa ji because It would seam that you are very very misinformed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would beg you not to to misunderstand my Daada Guru Sri Chand Ji. My Guru has given me a little name, and my little name is Ram Muni. I am a simple "cela" of BaBa ji, a child of only 2 years,13 generations removed from BaBa Sri Chand ji and the Dhuni of Baba Gurditta. I also implore you to listen to the loving words of BaBa ji. If you truly believe the Matra Sahib was composed by a Yogi, then I ask you to search all of the ashrams belonging to the Udasi Bara Akarda. You will find no images of him useing yoga mudra's. No you will only find him sitting, or surrounded by the faithful who have come to listen. He may have been called a Yogi by contemporaries but he never called himself a Yogi. The Followers of Guru Gorakhnath tried very hard to make him one, yet he did not accept. That did not keep Guru Gorakhnath's followers from labeling him a Yogi.</p><p></p><p>While he is revered as the manifestation of Shiv Ji within the Udasi sampradaya today, He did not teach Yoga "the philosophical tradition" or preach it. No different than How Buddha is called Hindu and revered as Vishnu these days, despite it as well as the Udasi being a heterodox tradition. BaBa only lived to spread the Guru's Naam as a missionary of the Sikhs. Regardless of what Deities lined the walls of an Udasi Durbar, it was the SGGS ji that took the Seat of honor. Useing the Idols of Hindu god's he attracted the local devotees. With his great knowledge of Sanskrit and Vedas the local Brahmans could not outwit him. Attracted by the familiar idols, he guided those with blind faith. Leading them to the Guru Granth Sahib and opend their eyes to the truth of one God.</p><p></p><p>Now let me inform you on the nature of BaBa Sri Chand, as you really have no understanding of his life. He renounced all worldly things such as marriage and Family, so it would not be posable for him to lead the Sikh's anyway. You Do BaBA wrong, comparing the Udasi to 3HO. Just as 3H0's founder was wrong to name himself the 11th Guru so to did he use BaBa Ji's name and idol to promote himself.</p><p></p><p>You first quote Bhai Gurdas, Who was born some 20 years after the First Guru left his earthly vessel. As such he could have had no experance of the relation between Guru Nanka dev Ji and BaBa ji. May I also mention that the quote you use, is not even found in the SGGS Ji. Were you to search all of the SGGS Ji, you will find no mention of ill will between Guru Nanak and his son, indead it is simply a lie......</p><p></p><p>I beg of you not to criticize BaBa Sri Chand. You use the words of Bhai Balvand Ji and Bhai Satta Ji. They have already begged forgiveness for slandering the Guru and were forgiven, yet now you slander the Gurus family in their name????? Read Rāmkalī mėhlā 1 siḏẖ gosat and listen to BaBA Ji's Matra sahib. Let his love for Guru Nanak ji Fill your heart with truth. Surely if the Guru can forgive the slander of Bhai Balvand Ji and Bhai Satta Ji, then he can forgive his son for not picking up a bowl that had fallen into a lake of filth.</p><p></p><p> Let us not forget, that service "sewa" is our connection, without sewa faith is rendered meaningless. It is the duty of a son to do his fathers bidding, simply doing ones duty can not be called sewa. It would have been improper for BaBa Sri Chand ji to deny Bhai Lehna the opertunity to do sewa for the Guru. BaBa Ji was fully aware that his father was preparing Bhai Lehna to become a suitable vessel. I Hope that you may visit the Kumbh <em>Mela</em> and see for your own eyes the udasi sampradaya. I can tell you, kundalini is the last thing you will find being practices there. Indeed the follows of that <em>Yogi</em> Bhajan would be beat with sticks should they even try to enter the camp belonging to the Bara Udasi Panchayati Akarda.</p><p></p><p>I would like to point out now that there are many in India and abrod who use the name Udasi without any connection to our founder Guru Sri Chand. Without guru diksha, they are no better than the false "Guru" <em>Yogi</em> Bhajan. It is in part due to <em>Yogi</em> Bhajan that many cheats claim to be Udasi and scam people for money. However they corrupt both the teaching of the SGGS Ji as well as BaBa ji in there attempt to paint themselves into a false narrative they themselves have created.</p><p></p><p>While BaBa Sri Chand ji did in fact take the path of a renunciate, It was never a requirement of Udasi saints. You can find many true Udasi Saints who are married. This is becuase when one recives guru diksha in the tradition of the Bara Udasi Akarda they are asked if they have intentions of being a house holder or a celibate. Many like myself who are celibate receive with there name the title of Muni, and it is reserved only for celibate Udasi. If ones receives guru diksha in the tradition of a householder, many times the title Das is affixed to their new name. Should one with the Title of Muni decide to enter the householder life style, as some do in the later stages in life, then they tend to drop Muni and use the Das suffix or put Bhai before the name given to them.</p><p></p><p>I don't know where you knowledge of the Udasi come from so I will assume it is all hearsay drdpsn bhai. As for your claims about Baba Gurditta, as I have already said there was no "Rule" that marriage was not allowed. The appointing of him also eased the way for masses of lay devotes, many whom were converts from Hinduism towards Sikhs faith. You claim many times that BaBa ji attempted a Coup upon his fathers death but it could not be less true. BaBa ji had no interest in the throne of Guru Nanka dev Ji, and His sending him to Khadoor was to spread the roots of the Sikh faith and perhaps for his safty. The storm you say was kicked up at Kartarpur, was the work of scheming brahmans with the help of wealthy "ruling" Hindu/Muslims who had for long courted BaBa Sri Chand ji Believing he would be the Successor to followers of Guru Nanak. However BaBa ji quickly left the city upon his fathers death, not wishing to get involved with such men. You must understand that the people still left in Kartarpur at that time were Hindus and Muslims. They were Nanak bhakt's, and still had much attachment to their Hindu or Muslim faiths. All those who truly loved Guru Nanak and his teachings had already shifted to Khadoor in order to offer sewa to the Gurus new vessel. Many of the Hindu élite there had expected BaBa Sri Chand to take over, however BaBA ji had no interest and quickly returned to his missionary work leaving Kartarpur after his fathers death.</p><p></p><p>BaBA ji was very well versed in Sanskrit, the Vedas, he also looked like a "typical" Sadhu so even the pundits gathered round. However none of the Pundits could outwit him, so they decided to join him but none were interested in discarding their caste. They saw how BaBa ji was able to gather many Hindu devotes and sought to find a nice place for themselves at BaBA Jis side. After BaBa Ji left Kartarpur to continue the work his father had asked of him these Pundits tricked many of the Lay devotees there into stay calling BaBA ji the successor to Guru Nanak Ji in order to continue exploiting the Hindus who had blindly followed BaBa ji there but had not taken Guru Nanak's words into their Heart. He retuned upon hearing of a flood in order to retrieved the urn that contained the late gurus ashs. The flood had washed away all those who had been scheming and Slandering Guru Nank and so BaBa ji decided to stay there and rebuilt a new place for the ash's of his father.</p><p></p><p>The ill will created by the Pundits in there attempt to elevate BaBa ji over the 2nd guru had sowed poison into the relation for some time. Thoes who left after Guru Nanaks death spoke of the pundits slander, as did all who visited Kartarpur before the floods washed them away. This caused ill will towards Sri Chand in Khadoor caused people to slander Sri Chand there, such is why he did not vist. It was Guru Ram Das ji who finally put an end the the slander being spoken against the family of Guru Nanak, thus prompting BaBa ji to vist.</p><p></p><p>By the time of the 10th Guru and the <em>Khande Da Pahul</em> , There was a clearly defined community of Shiks. Their ancestors had been following the teachings of the Guru's for Generations by that time. It's not that the Udasi exempted themselves, it simply that the Udasi community consisted of Hindus and not Shiks. I can't say much about the dark times, when the Shiks were driven out of their holy shrines. It is true that after the death's of the original Mahants assigned to take care of the shrines, corrupt individuals took over in some places. It's also true that Even the first generation of caretakers did not stop their Hindu influenced practice after settling in the Sikh shrines. However can you say with certainty, that had they stop such practices, that there would still be the Sri Harminder Sahib to even put ones head down at today. I can not, nor can I say that the Adi Granth contained there in would even have remained for me to matha tek and surrender to.</p><p></p><p>Just as no one in the Sikh faith asked <em>Yogi</em> Bhajan to take the SGGS and pervert its teachings or call himself the 11th guru. I can assure no one within the Udasi sampradaya asked him to use BaBa Ji's image or claim that the <em>kundalni</em> <em>yoga</em> was some teaching passed down to him. There is no teaching of Yoga, an orthodox philosophy that was popular with Guru Gorakhnath In the teaching passed down by BaBa ji to this Child of the Udasi.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ram_Muni, post: 221238, member: 24289"] Ram Ram [USER=2479]@drdpsn[/USER] I would first like to ask you to put down the 3HO koolaid and not equate this "[I]Yogi[/I] Bhajan" to my Daada Guru BaBa Sri chand. Yes the places established by this man had many pictures of BaBa. There were also many pictures of Guru Nanak im sure and he gave many people the name Khalsa however that dose not make them so. Just as putting up pictures of BaBa dose not make him an Udasi. He never took Guru Diksha From an Udasi sant and he proclaimed himself a false 11th Guru. now let me teach you a few things about BaBa ji because It would seam that you are very very misinformed. I would beg you not to to misunderstand my Daada Guru Sri Chand Ji. My Guru has given me a little name, and my little name is Ram Muni. I am a simple "cela" of BaBa ji, a child of only 2 years,13 generations removed from BaBa Sri Chand ji and the Dhuni of Baba Gurditta. I also implore you to listen to the loving words of BaBa ji. If you truly believe the Matra Sahib was composed by a Yogi, then I ask you to search all of the ashrams belonging to the Udasi Bara Akarda. You will find no images of him useing yoga mudra's. No you will only find him sitting, or surrounded by the faithful who have come to listen. He may have been called a Yogi by contemporaries but he never called himself a Yogi. The Followers of Guru Gorakhnath tried very hard to make him one, yet he did not accept. That did not keep Guru Gorakhnath's followers from labeling him a Yogi. While he is revered as the manifestation of Shiv Ji within the Udasi sampradaya today, He did not teach Yoga "the philosophical tradition" or preach it. No different than How Buddha is called Hindu and revered as Vishnu these days, despite it as well as the Udasi being a heterodox tradition. BaBa only lived to spread the Guru's Naam as a missionary of the Sikhs. Regardless of what Deities lined the walls of an Udasi Durbar, it was the SGGS ji that took the Seat of honor. Useing the Idols of Hindu god's he attracted the local devotees. With his great knowledge of Sanskrit and Vedas the local Brahmans could not outwit him. Attracted by the familiar idols, he guided those with blind faith. Leading them to the Guru Granth Sahib and opend their eyes to the truth of one God. Now let me inform you on the nature of BaBa Sri Chand, as you really have no understanding of his life. He renounced all worldly things such as marriage and Family, so it would not be posable for him to lead the Sikh's anyway. You Do BaBA wrong, comparing the Udasi to 3HO. Just as 3H0's founder was wrong to name himself the 11th Guru so to did he use BaBa Ji's name and idol to promote himself. You first quote Bhai Gurdas, Who was born some 20 years after the First Guru left his earthly vessel. As such he could have had no experance of the relation between Guru Nanka dev Ji and BaBa ji. May I also mention that the quote you use, is not even found in the SGGS Ji. Were you to search all of the SGGS Ji, you will find no mention of ill will between Guru Nanak and his son, indead it is simply a lie...... I beg of you not to criticize BaBa Sri Chand. You use the words of Bhai Balvand Ji and Bhai Satta Ji. They have already begged forgiveness for slandering the Guru and were forgiven, yet now you slander the Gurus family in their name????? Read Rāmkalī mėhlā 1 siḏẖ gosat and listen to BaBA Ji's Matra sahib. Let his love for Guru Nanak ji Fill your heart with truth. Surely if the Guru can forgive the slander of Bhai Balvand Ji and Bhai Satta Ji, then he can forgive his son for not picking up a bowl that had fallen into a lake of filth. Let us not forget, that service "sewa" is our connection, without sewa faith is rendered meaningless. It is the duty of a son to do his fathers bidding, simply doing ones duty can not be called sewa. It would have been improper for BaBa Sri Chand ji to deny Bhai Lehna the opertunity to do sewa for the Guru. BaBa Ji was fully aware that his father was preparing Bhai Lehna to become a suitable vessel. I Hope that you may visit the Kumbh [I]Mela[/I] and see for your own eyes the udasi sampradaya. I can tell you, kundalini is the last thing you will find being practices there. Indeed the follows of that [I]Yogi[/I] Bhajan would be beat with sticks should they even try to enter the camp belonging to the Bara Udasi Panchayati Akarda. I would like to point out now that there are many in India and abrod who use the name Udasi without any connection to our founder Guru Sri Chand. Without guru diksha, they are no better than the false "Guru" [I]Yogi[/I] Bhajan. It is in part due to [I]Yogi[/I] Bhajan that many cheats claim to be Udasi and scam people for money. However they corrupt both the teaching of the SGGS Ji as well as BaBa ji in there attempt to paint themselves into a false narrative they themselves have created. While BaBa Sri Chand ji did in fact take the path of a renunciate, It was never a requirement of Udasi saints. You can find many true Udasi Saints who are married. This is becuase when one recives guru diksha in the tradition of the Bara Udasi Akarda they are asked if they have intentions of being a house holder or a celibate. Many like myself who are celibate receive with there name the title of Muni, and it is reserved only for celibate Udasi. If ones receives guru diksha in the tradition of a householder, many times the title Das is affixed to their new name. Should one with the Title of Muni decide to enter the householder life style, as some do in the later stages in life, then they tend to drop Muni and use the Das suffix or put Bhai before the name given to them. I don't know where you knowledge of the Udasi come from so I will assume it is all hearsay drdpsn bhai. As for your claims about Baba Gurditta, as I have already said there was no "Rule" that marriage was not allowed. The appointing of him also eased the way for masses of lay devotes, many whom were converts from Hinduism towards Sikhs faith. You claim many times that BaBa ji attempted a Coup upon his fathers death but it could not be less true. BaBa ji had no interest in the throne of Guru Nanka dev Ji, and His sending him to Khadoor was to spread the roots of the Sikh faith and perhaps for his safty. The storm you say was kicked up at Kartarpur, was the work of scheming brahmans with the help of wealthy "ruling" Hindu/Muslims who had for long courted BaBa Sri Chand ji Believing he would be the Successor to followers of Guru Nanak. However BaBa ji quickly left the city upon his fathers death, not wishing to get involved with such men. You must understand that the people still left in Kartarpur at that time were Hindus and Muslims. They were Nanak bhakt's, and still had much attachment to their Hindu or Muslim faiths. All those who truly loved Guru Nanak and his teachings had already shifted to Khadoor in order to offer sewa to the Gurus new vessel. Many of the Hindu élite there had expected BaBa Sri Chand to take over, however BaBA ji had no interest and quickly returned to his missionary work leaving Kartarpur after his fathers death. BaBA ji was very well versed in Sanskrit, the Vedas, he also looked like a "typical" Sadhu so even the pundits gathered round. However none of the Pundits could outwit him, so they decided to join him but none were interested in discarding their caste. They saw how BaBa ji was able to gather many Hindu devotes and sought to find a nice place for themselves at BaBA Jis side. After BaBa Ji left Kartarpur to continue the work his father had asked of him these Pundits tricked many of the Lay devotees there into stay calling BaBA ji the successor to Guru Nanak Ji in order to continue exploiting the Hindus who had blindly followed BaBa ji there but had not taken Guru Nanak's words into their Heart. He retuned upon hearing of a flood in order to retrieved the urn that contained the late gurus ashs. The flood had washed away all those who had been scheming and Slandering Guru Nank and so BaBa ji decided to stay there and rebuilt a new place for the ash's of his father. The ill will created by the Pundits in there attempt to elevate BaBa ji over the 2nd guru had sowed poison into the relation for some time. Thoes who left after Guru Nanaks death spoke of the pundits slander, as did all who visited Kartarpur before the floods washed them away. This caused ill will towards Sri Chand in Khadoor caused people to slander Sri Chand there, such is why he did not vist. It was Guru Ram Das ji who finally put an end the the slander being spoken against the family of Guru Nanak, thus prompting BaBa ji to vist. By the time of the 10th Guru and the [I]Khande Da Pahul[/I] , There was a clearly defined community of Shiks. Their ancestors had been following the teachings of the Guru's for Generations by that time. It's not that the Udasi exempted themselves, it simply that the Udasi community consisted of Hindus and not Shiks. I can't say much about the dark times, when the Shiks were driven out of their holy shrines. It is true that after the death's of the original Mahants assigned to take care of the shrines, corrupt individuals took over in some places. It's also true that Even the first generation of caretakers did not stop their Hindu influenced practice after settling in the Sikh shrines. However can you say with certainty, that had they stop such practices, that there would still be the Sri Harminder Sahib to even put ones head down at today. I can not, nor can I say that the Adi Granth contained there in would even have remained for me to matha tek and surrender to. Just as no one in the Sikh faith asked [I]Yogi[/I] Bhajan to take the SGGS and pervert its teachings or call himself the 11th guru. I can assure no one within the Udasi sampradaya asked him to use BaBa Ji's image or claim that the [I]kundalni[/I] [I]yoga[/I] was some teaching passed down to him. There is no teaching of Yoga, an orthodox philosophy that was popular with Guru Gorakhnath In the teaching passed down by BaBa ji to this Child of the Udasi. [/QUOTE]
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The Hijackers Of Sikhi, Part 2: The Udasis
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