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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="arshi" data-source="post: 189443" data-attributes="member: 9479"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">spnadmin ji</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Many thanks for your response and you have taken a lot of trouble in resurrecting some of the points in discussion at the time.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is a long time when I first wrote this article. I am not sure who I am addressing here, Narayanjyot Kaur ji (moderator at the time), Aman Singh ji or another blessed soul (I hope it is OK to use the term). It is a lot easier if we can identify the person asking the questions, otherwise it sometimes give the impression of a level of aloofness or isolation. However, it does not matter as I can only say what I believe in. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I may be totally off track, and if so many apologies, an inner voice gave me the warning of a looming stormsince normallyyour posts are heart-warming and ones to look forward to. I was right. Your initial post gave me the impression of inquisition rather than a discussion amongst friends and fellow seekers. For if anyone is inept in understanding fellow human beings, than yours truly would head that list – so again forgive me if I got this wrong.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I am a simple person with simple thoughts and <strong>you give me far too much credit for someone unable to answer your questions satisfactorily.</strong></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">One of the notes to my essay was:</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Writing about the Five Realms is the most difficult task a writer can undertake. This is the FIRST EDITION of the article – it may undergo changes for quality and accuracy.”</span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When I wrote this article in 2009, I based it entirely on the following sources:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Translation of Guru Granth Sahib Ji by Prof Sahib Singh.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Other teekas in Punjabi and English</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Books written by eminent authors such as Sarinder Singh Kohli and others.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Discourses by renowned parcharaks, e.g. Maskin ji, Pinder Pal Singh ji.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Discussions with various seekers of Truth.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- Influence of personalities who came into my life from time to time.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">- My own intuition.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Although the end result cannot be ascribed to any one particular source, the article is heavily weighted towards Prof Sahib Singh ji’s Darpan.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The following remarks are also for the reference of respected Tejwant ji plus to whom it may concern. I will also respond to some of his remarks in a separate post as and when I find the time. </span></em></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The time has come to pen a few facts of my life. I spent the 1940’s in India, the 1950’s and most of 1960’s in Nairobi, Kenya and the rest of the time in UK.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Perhaps the most impressionable days are the ones when one undertakes primary and secondary education, marries and starts a career. Most of this happened in Nairobi, Kenya. In the 1950’s and 1960’s the whites, the Asians and the Africans lived in separate localities. The Asians were predominantly Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims. Our goals were similar as were our problems. We lived as one large family. In our personal relational relationships the religion of humanity preceded anything else. We lived like brothers and sisters. This is what, in my opinion real Sikhi is about. Thus when I write I think more like a human being than someone rigidly tied down to a doctrine. However, Guru Nanak means everything to me. For me there is no other equal and the same goes for his successors and the Living Light Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Make no mistake I have <strong>allegiance to no one else</strong>, period.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">With the progression of time new terms come into use and these sometimes encourage us to start labeling and judging others. This is not aimed at spadmin ji – just a general observation. It not too long ago that I came across the term ‘Hindutva’ – take it to be my ignorance but I really did not know what the term stood for. In the 1940’s to late 1960’s I was brought up in an environment where we interacted freely without casting stones at each others. I was very interested in sangeet at a very early age and sang at Gurpurbs, school and other functions, including the Voice of Kenya. This was both devotional and other music. We rejoiced in each others company regardless of our faiths and curiously one’s best friends came from a different faith. We spoke the language of love and at the same time followed our respective faiths.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In my entire life I have never disrespected my hair, even in the very late 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s when discrimination was strong and rife in the UK. Sikhs were removing their hair for ordinary jobs. The thought of doing so never crossed my mind. Such was my commitment to Sikhi. In the 1980’s I was the sole lecturer in London reporting in class rooms, sabat soorat, with a white dastar, that stood out from miles So I do not need anyone to tell me what Sikhi is all about. I do not write under a secret name and anyone who wishes to debate my Sikhi is invited to debate it in person, if he or she so wishes. Internet is not always the best means for debate. I apologise if my words appear to be harsh but no one, repeat no one, ought to question my commitment to Sikhi. I have written and posted many articles on this site well liked by admin and others including Tejwant ji. I have shown nothing but utter respect to Tejwant ji but his post above leaves a lot to be desired.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I have already indicated that as and when I feel more enlightened I do hope to revisit Pauris 34-37 and other areas of interest to the Seekers of Truth.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="arshi, post: 189443, member: 9479"] [FONT=Verdana]spnadmin ji[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Many thanks for your response and you have taken a lot of trouble in resurrecting some of the points in discussion at the time.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]It is a long time when I first wrote this article. I am not sure who I am addressing here, Narayanjyot Kaur ji (moderator at the time), Aman Singh ji or another blessed soul (I hope it is OK to use the term). It is a lot easier if we can identify the person asking the questions, otherwise it sometimes give the impression of a level of aloofness or isolation. However, it does not matter as I can only say what I believe in. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I may be totally off track, and if so many apologies, an inner voice gave me the warning of a looming stormsince normallyyour posts are heart-warming and ones to look forward to. I was right. Your initial post gave me the impression of inquisition rather than a discussion amongst friends and fellow seekers. For if anyone is inept in understanding fellow human beings, than yours truly would head that list – so again forgive me if I got this wrong.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I am a simple person with simple thoughts and [B]you give me far too much credit for someone unable to answer your questions satisfactorily.[/B][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]One of the notes to my essay was:[/FONT] [B][I][FONT=Verdana]“Writing about the Five Realms is the most difficult task a writer can undertake. This is the FIRST EDITION of the article – it may undergo changes for quality and accuracy.”[/FONT][/I][/B] [FONT=Verdana]When I wrote this article in 2009, I based it entirely on the following sources:[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- Translation of Guru Granth Sahib Ji by Prof Sahib Singh.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- Other teekas in Punjabi and English[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- Books written by eminent authors such as Sarinder Singh Kohli and others.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- Discourses by renowned parcharaks, e.g. Maskin ji, Pinder Pal Singh ji.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- Discussions with various seekers of Truth.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- Influence of personalities who came into my life from time to time.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]- My own intuition.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Although the end result cannot be ascribed to any one particular source, the article is heavily weighted towards Prof Sahib Singh ji’s Darpan.[/FONT] [B][I][FONT=Verdana]The following remarks are also for the reference of respected Tejwant ji plus to whom it may concern. I will also respond to some of his remarks in a separate post as and when I find the time. [/FONT][/I][/B] [FONT=Verdana]The time has come to pen a few facts of my life. I spent the 1940’s in India, the 1950’s and most of 1960’s in Nairobi, Kenya and the rest of the time in UK.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Perhaps the most impressionable days are the ones when one undertakes primary and secondary education, marries and starts a career. Most of this happened in Nairobi, Kenya. In the 1950’s and 1960’s the whites, the Asians and the Africans lived in separate localities. The Asians were predominantly Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims. Our goals were similar as were our problems. We lived as one large family. In our personal relational relationships the religion of humanity preceded anything else. We lived like brothers and sisters. This is what, in my opinion real Sikhi is about. Thus when I write I think more like a human being than someone rigidly tied down to a doctrine. However, Guru Nanak means everything to me. For me there is no other equal and the same goes for his successors and the Living Light Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Make no mistake I have [B]allegiance to no one else[/B], period.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]With the progression of time new terms come into use and these sometimes encourage us to start labeling and judging others. This is not aimed at spadmin ji – just a general observation. It not too long ago that I came across the term ‘Hindutva’ – take it to be my ignorance but I really did not know what the term stood for. In the 1940’s to late 1960’s I was brought up in an environment where we interacted freely without casting stones at each others. I was very interested in sangeet at a very early age and sang at Gurpurbs, school and other functions, including the Voice of Kenya. This was both devotional and other music. We rejoiced in each others company regardless of our faiths and curiously one’s best friends came from a different faith. We spoke the language of love and at the same time followed our respective faiths.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]In my entire life I have never disrespected my hair, even in the very late 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s when discrimination was strong and rife in the UK. Sikhs were removing their hair for ordinary jobs. The thought of doing so never crossed my mind. Such was my commitment to Sikhi. In the 1980’s I was the sole lecturer in London reporting in class rooms, sabat soorat, with a white dastar, that stood out from miles So I do not need anyone to tell me what Sikhi is all about. I do not write under a secret name and anyone who wishes to debate my Sikhi is invited to debate it in person, if he or she so wishes. Internet is not always the best means for debate. I apologise if my words appear to be harsh but no one, repeat no one, ought to question my commitment to Sikhi. I have written and posted many articles on this site well liked by admin and others including Tejwant ji. I have shown nothing but utter respect to Tejwant ji but his post above leaves a lot to be desired.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I have already indicated that as and when I feel more enlightened I do hope to revisit Pauris 34-37 and other areas of interest to the Seekers of Truth.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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