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<blockquote data-quote="kaur-1" data-source="post: 51810" data-attributes="member: 3025"><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Blue">Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Blue">Yes, I totally agree that cults are BAD NEWS. One definition of the word cult:</span></span><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>"</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>A religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader; "</strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">For Example:</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">This cult leader - a self proclaimed "Guru" is at present in the UK. This "delusional" self proclaimed Guru may at one time done lots of naam simran but only Waheguroo truly know's what happened to this poor man. Hope he recovers soon with waheguroo's kirpa.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">A brief background old article's on this cult:</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"> Author: ... </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Date: 11-24-05 12:59</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">An old pamphlet about this cult:</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Please beware of a very dangerous cult in Toronto. The cult leader Narinder Grewal, </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">An evil cult has emerged in the Toronto area led by a very cunning and dangerous individual, Narinder Grewal. Narinder has brainwashed and mislead many members of the Sikh community and turned them into mindless slaves. Narinder’s followers are reduced to screaming wrecks, completely dependent on Narinder for all direction. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">In one particularly disturbing case, he has convinced one of his followers to give him his wife (who is half Narinder’s age) claiming she was originally “his” in a previous lifetime. A child has been born as a result of this illicit and depraved relationship. He and the rest of his cult refers to this woman as “chhotay mata jee” and his earlier wife “vaday mata jee”. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">The following are some examples of his direct attacks on the Sikh faith, and the Sikh Gurus: </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">1. People bow in front of him in the presence of Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">2. He claims to be a Atal Brahmgiyani and greater than Guru Nanak Dev jee and our 10 Gurus. He preaches that there is no need to “matha tek” to Guru Granth Sahib jee. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">3. He calls God a “{censored}”. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">4. He challenges Guru Nanak Dev jee and Guru Gobind Singh jee and says that he is not afraid of them. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">5. As written above he has taken his follower’s wife as his second wife. It is quite possible that there are more such cases of sexual abuse in his cult. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">6. He has replaced the Khalsa slogan “Vaheguru jee kaa Khalsa, Vaheguru jee kee fateh” with his own creation “Satnam jee kaa Khalsa, Satnam jee kee fateh” </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">7. He says to his followers that Guru Nanak Dev jee and Guru Gobind Singh jee do “matha-tek” (bow) to some of his chosen disciples.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Some of the idiotic and mentally-retarded things that he claims are as follows:</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">1. He claims to have done a wrestling match with God in Sachkhand and beaten him in a wrestling match. One wonders if there is WWF going on at Sachkhand too!</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">2. At one occasion he claims to have entered God through his feet and came out from his head. At this, God is said to have been very pleased with him. God at that point told him that no one other than him had done such a spectacular thing. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">3. He claims that God gave him a construction contract to renovate and reconstruct Sachkhand. He claims that he destroyed all areas of Sachkhand and thereafter constructed a “Sunder Nagar.” During the construction of “Sunder Nagar”, he claims that Guru Gobind Singh jee helped him out by planting a “Nishan Sahib” (Sikh religious flag) there. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">4. As stated previously, he has established an illicit sexual relationship with his follower’s wife. She is only half his age (He is about 50, she is 25). His followers who expressed doubt over this illicit relationship were told that God has personally asked him to take his follower’s wife, otherwise, God would have taken away all his power and spirituality. One wonders why would God want him to have sexual relationship with a woman who is half his age and is wife of his disciple. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">5. He claims to have “kicked out” God from Sachkhand and then let him in at his will. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">6. He claims to have released 100 million souls who were suffering in hell. One wonders why he ignored millions of people suffering in Africa, Asia and other parts of the world. Why did he not release them?</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">7. On one hand he claims that the only language spoken in Sachkhand is “Rag-Ragni” language and on the other hand he has written a conversation that took place between him and God in Punjabi. In this conversation, he claims that God told him that his feet has light of 1000 suns, and his heart and head has light of 21 suns. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">8. He claims of another realm above Sachkhand called Brahmkhand and he claims that only he has access to this realm. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Please be aware of this very dangerous cult leader. As written above he has taken his follower’s wife as his second wife. It is quite possible that there are more such cases of sexual abuse in his cult. It is possible that he uses drugs or other such chemicals to instill hallucinations in his followers. Ladies should be particularly careful in not going to his place as he is said to be sexually abusing women. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Saadh Sangat jee, please be aware of this monster’s presence in our community and inform others about his nefarious activities. We must collectively shut down this man’s cult and make sure no one else is mislead and hurt. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">WHAT CAN YOU DO?</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">1. Please don’t visit his dera, that is situated in Bolton, Ontario.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">2. Don’t read his material. He and his brain-washed followers use brainwashing techniques to trap innocent people in their cult.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">3. Please make other aware of his nefarious activities. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">4. If you hear of any kind of abuse in his dera, please bring it to the attention of police. </span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">5. If you have had a bad experience in his dera, please share it with others to make them aware of his sadistic activities.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: Blue">Another:</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: Blue"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span><strong> Panthic Alert</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Issue Date: 6/16/2003</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Subject: Nariender Grewal's SatNaam Cult (Toronto) </strong> </p><p></p><p> To the Sikh Sadh-Sangat at large: </p><p> </p><p>Please note that a heretic group headed by a self-styled ‘guru’ is aggressively recruiting unsuspecting people on-line and at their local base in Toronto. These people espouse beliefs that are counter to the teachings of the Sikh Gurus and include: </p><p></p><p>1) the belief in living a Guru. The present guru is known by the name Nariender Grewal. His followers bow their heads to his feet instead of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. </p><p></p><p>2) like the Kala-Afghana group, they do not believe in the institution of Panj Piarays or Amrit Sanchaar. </p><p> </p><p>3) they claim that ‘Satnaam’ is the real Gurmantar and not ‘Waheguru’ </p><p>4) they have changed Panthic Parvaant GurFateh from ‘Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh’ to ‘Satnaamji ka Khalsa Satnaamji ki Fateh’ </p><p></p><p>5) Nariender Grewal claims to be the living Guru and claims to replace Guru Gobind Singh and Guru Granth Sahib Ji. </p><p></p><p>6) Nariender Grewal addresses Akal Purakh Sahib and our Guru Sahibs in crude language </p><p></p><p>7) Nariender Grewal practices polygamy and claims to have 2 wives. </p><p> </p><p><strong> 8) <span style="color: Blue">Surinder Singh Multani </span>is one of his main spokesperson on the Net. He writes convoluted letters using real Gurbanee quotations to back this group’s twisted belief system. He has aggressively made his rounds on the net trying to recruit more converts, often using multiple identities and aliases. His writings have been banned by many websites. He has resorted to threats of lawsuit for being denied access to sangat members by diligent administrators. Sevadaars working with the Khalsa Alliance became aware of this group’s activities several months ago, and have been observing their behavior on the Net. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong> Their system of attacking Panthic beliefs is not too different from the approach taken by Kala Aghana and his followers. It is interesting to see that just about the time that the Kala Afghana issue is about to be finalized, other chameleons like him are already being propped up by Anti-Panthic elements.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>We, fellow Sikh sangat members, urge other Sikh Sangat members and all Jathebandees to denounce these people wherever they congregate, in the press and on-line. We urge all of you to voice your concerns to the Akal Takht Sahib and to please inform your innocent family members of these charlatans and to avoid them at all costs.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yours sincerely, </p><p>Sevadars to the Khalsa Panth </p><p>The Khalsa Alliance </p><p><a href="http://www.KhalsaAlliance.org" target="_blank">http://www.KhalsaAlliance.org</a> </p><p><a href="mailto:info@KhalsaAlliance.org">info@KhalsaAlliance.org</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kaur-1, post: 51810, member: 3025"] [SIZE=2][COLOR=Blue]Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Yes, I totally agree that cults are BAD NEWS. One definition of the word cult:[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=2] [/SIZE][SIZE=2][B]" A religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader; "[/B][/SIZE] [COLOR=Blue]For Example:[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]This cult leader - a self proclaimed "Guru" is at present in the UK. This "delusional" self proclaimed Guru may at one time done lots of naam simran but only Waheguroo truly know's what happened to this poor man. Hope he recovers soon with waheguroo's kirpa. A brief background old article's on this cult:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000] Author: ... Date: 11-24-05 12:59 An old pamphlet about this cult: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please beware of a very dangerous cult in Toronto. The cult leader Narinder Grewal, An evil cult has emerged in the Toronto area led by a very cunning and dangerous individual, Narinder Grewal. Narinder has brainwashed and mislead many members of the Sikh community and turned them into mindless slaves. Narinder’s followers are reduced to screaming wrecks, completely dependent on Narinder for all direction. In one particularly disturbing case, he has convinced one of his followers to give him his wife (who is half Narinder’s age) claiming she was originally “his” in a previous lifetime. A child has been born as a result of this illicit and depraved relationship. He and the rest of his cult refers to this woman as “chhotay mata jee” and his earlier wife “vaday mata jee”. The following are some examples of his direct attacks on the Sikh faith, and the Sikh Gurus: 1. People bow in front of him in the presence of Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee. 2. He claims to be a Atal Brahmgiyani and greater than Guru Nanak Dev jee and our 10 Gurus. He preaches that there is no need to “matha tek” to Guru Granth Sahib jee. 3. He calls God a “{censored}”. 4. He challenges Guru Nanak Dev jee and Guru Gobind Singh jee and says that he is not afraid of them. 5. As written above he has taken his follower’s wife as his second wife. It is quite possible that there are more such cases of sexual abuse in his cult. 6. He has replaced the Khalsa slogan “Vaheguru jee kaa Khalsa, Vaheguru jee kee fateh” with his own creation “Satnam jee kaa Khalsa, Satnam jee kee fateh” 7. He says to his followers that Guru Nanak Dev jee and Guru Gobind Singh jee do “matha-tek” (bow) to some of his chosen disciples. Some of the idiotic and mentally-retarded things that he claims are as follows: 1. He claims to have done a wrestling match with God in Sachkhand and beaten him in a wrestling match. One wonders if there is WWF going on at Sachkhand too! 2. At one occasion he claims to have entered God through his feet and came out from his head. At this, God is said to have been very pleased with him. God at that point told him that no one other than him had done such a spectacular thing. 3. He claims that God gave him a construction contract to renovate and reconstruct Sachkhand. He claims that he destroyed all areas of Sachkhand and thereafter constructed a “Sunder Nagar.” During the construction of “Sunder Nagar”, he claims that Guru Gobind Singh jee helped him out by planting a “Nishan Sahib” (Sikh religious flag) there. 4. As stated previously, he has established an illicit sexual relationship with his follower’s wife. She is only half his age (He is about 50, she is 25). His followers who expressed doubt over this illicit relationship were told that God has personally asked him to take his follower’s wife, otherwise, God would have taken away all his power and spirituality. One wonders why would God want him to have sexual relationship with a woman who is half his age and is wife of his disciple. 5. He claims to have “kicked out” God from Sachkhand and then let him in at his will. 6. He claims to have released 100 million souls who were suffering in hell. One wonders why he ignored millions of people suffering in Africa, Asia and other parts of the world. Why did he not release them? 7. On one hand he claims that the only language spoken in Sachkhand is “Rag-Ragni” language and on the other hand he has written a conversation that took place between him and God in Punjabi. In this conversation, he claims that God told him that his feet has light of 1000 suns, and his heart and head has light of 21 suns. 8. He claims of another realm above Sachkhand called Brahmkhand and he claims that only he has access to this realm. Please be aware of this very dangerous cult leader. As written above he has taken his follower’s wife as his second wife. It is quite possible that there are more such cases of sexual abuse in his cult. It is possible that he uses drugs or other such chemicals to instill hallucinations in his followers. Ladies should be particularly careful in not going to his place as he is said to be sexually abusing women. Saadh Sangat jee, please be aware of this monster’s presence in our community and inform others about his nefarious activities. We must collectively shut down this man’s cult and make sure no one else is mislead and hurt. WHAT CAN YOU DO? 1. Please don’t visit his dera, that is situated in Bolton, Ontario. 2. Don’t read his material. He and his brain-washed followers use brainwashing techniques to trap innocent people in their cult. 3. Please make other aware of his nefarious activities. 4. If you hear of any kind of abuse in his dera, please bring it to the attention of police. 5. If you have had a bad experience in his dera, please share it with others to make them aware of his sadistic activities. [/COLOR][CENTER][COLOR=#000000][COLOR=Blue]Another:[/COLOR][/COLOR] [/CENTER] [COLOR=#000000][COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR][/COLOR][B] Panthic Alert Issue Date: 6/16/2003 Subject: Nariender Grewal's SatNaam Cult (Toronto) [/B] To the Sikh Sadh-Sangat at large: Please note that a heretic group headed by a self-styled ‘guru’ is aggressively recruiting unsuspecting people on-line and at their local base in Toronto. These people espouse beliefs that are counter to the teachings of the Sikh Gurus and include: 1) the belief in living a Guru. The present guru is known by the name Nariender Grewal. His followers bow their heads to his feet instead of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 2) like the Kala-Afghana group, they do not believe in the institution of Panj Piarays or Amrit Sanchaar. 3) they claim that ‘Satnaam’ is the real Gurmantar and not ‘Waheguru’ 4) they have changed Panthic Parvaant GurFateh from ‘Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh’ to ‘Satnaamji ka Khalsa Satnaamji ki Fateh’ 5) Nariender Grewal claims to be the living Guru and claims to replace Guru Gobind Singh and Guru Granth Sahib Ji. 6) Nariender Grewal addresses Akal Purakh Sahib and our Guru Sahibs in crude language 7) Nariender Grewal practices polygamy and claims to have 2 wives. [B] 8) [COLOR=Blue]Surinder Singh Multani [/COLOR]is one of his main spokesperson on the Net. He writes convoluted letters using real Gurbanee quotations to back this group’s twisted belief system. He has aggressively made his rounds on the net trying to recruit more converts, often using multiple identities and aliases. His writings have been banned by many websites. He has resorted to threats of lawsuit for being denied access to sangat members by diligent administrators. Sevadaars working with the Khalsa Alliance became aware of this group’s activities several months ago, and have been observing their behavior on the Net. [/B] Their system of attacking Panthic beliefs is not too different from the approach taken by Kala Aghana and his followers. It is interesting to see that just about the time that the Kala Afghana issue is about to be finalized, other chameleons like him are already being propped up by Anti-Panthic elements. We, fellow Sikh sangat members, urge other Sikh Sangat members and all Jathebandees to denounce these people wherever they congregate, in the press and on-line. We urge all of you to voice your concerns to the Akal Takht Sahib and to please inform your innocent family members of these charlatans and to avoid them at all costs. Yours sincerely, Sevadars to the Khalsa Panth The Khalsa Alliance [URL]http://www.KhalsaAlliance.org[/URL] [EMAIL="info@KhalsaAlliance.org"]info@KhalsaAlliance.org[/EMAIL] [/QUOTE]
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