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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="harman deep" data-source="post: 132155" data-attributes="member: 12892"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Stikar yog guru khalsa jio,</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Wheguru Gi Ka Khalsa , Waheguru ji ki Fateh,</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I Have read the link suggested by Jasleen Kaur ji, Naranjoyt Kaur jio, to my view to study the Rag system is that I have a few knowledge of our new system of teaching classical music. Ragmala is a system to make the composition of different Ragas understands to students.Firstly it was Ragang Padhiti (only name of rags), after that Rag Ragini Padhiti(Names of Rag Raginis) than now it is that Rag Padhiti. So the difference between them is necessary to understand.In Indian classical music firstly music is used to achieve Bramgyan, this system is not here. by now after that the present classical music system is present.The actual names for these I don’t remember by now. In ancient times there is no system which can show notations in written form. The system to understand ragas is started only a century before our time by Pt. Bhatkhande.This claimed by muslim scholars that musiki is firstly given by them and starts from Iran after that followed by Bhatkhande.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You may think why I am saying so, but according to my thinking it is very necessary to understand all this and if we are not singing rags according to the lines of Ragmala than what is the relevance of it. It becomes more important if we are not following the Guru Granth Sahib than why we argue over it. It is important for Vijaydeep Singh.How many supporters of Ragamala understand ragas. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The second thing which verr Vijaydeep Singh is saying that there are gurbani which can resemble with Ragmala please code me one verses which is without teaching Nam and GOD now you will coat 'tunde *** raje ki dhuni' which is again not a well argument as mentioned by Madan Singh the link given by Jasleen Kaur.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The important thing Narayanjot Kaur ji, it is not established that there is any Bir which can be said as signed by Guru without Ragmala.This is the main cause of controversy </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">According to me the position of Ragmala is that one party can not prove till now how ragmala is included and second party can not prove how ragamala is gurbani so more efforts are necessary to understand this issue. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The important thing which we all must have to understand that we are discussing to know about the truth. We may be wrong or we may be right</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The appreciable thing is that though the ragmala supporters can not prove that Ragmala is Gurbani But their intensions are not bad because it can lead more controvercies and it is very much important to remain Guru Granth Sahib as intact and not venerable to change. So that richness of tradition can be protected.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The book suggested by Jasleen is worthy to read but much more research is necessary to make this issue more and clearer.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I think as suggested by veer Vijaydeep Singh no such scientific research is necessary at this stage it is necessary that all the versions of Bir should be put on sights so that every one can know . It is strange thing one claims that he has seen Bir without Rgamala and the other claim that the same Bir is with Ragmala .So all the picture should be clear on net so that everybody can know.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">At the end I think it is clear that ragmala may be Bani or not but it is not practised by Sikhs . As Sikhs has no traditional history to fellow Ragmala as common Sikh can recite Gurbani but are not ready to hear Rags.They only hear Gurbani with Rag but if rag dominates no one is ready to listen. So it is also necessary to understand and it is tradition also.It is also a fact that 99% Sikh recognize ragmala because it is written in Guru Granth Sahib but not follow it.There may be any one but i can not know him please tell me who follow ragamala.Vijaydeep Singh ji you follow ragmala. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="harman deep, post: 132155, member: 12892"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Stikar yog guru khalsa jio,[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Wheguru Gi Ka Khalsa , Waheguru ji ki Fateh,[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I Have read the link suggested by Jasleen Kaur ji, Naranjoyt Kaur jio, to my view to study the Rag system is that I have a few knowledge of our new system of teaching classical music. Ragmala is a system to make the composition of different Ragas understands to students.Firstly it was Ragang Padhiti (only name of rags), after that Rag Ragini Padhiti(Names of Rag Raginis) than now it is that Rag Padhiti. So the difference between them is necessary to understand.In Indian classical music firstly music is used to achieve Bramgyan, this system is not here. by now after that the present classical music system is present.The actual names for these I don’t remember by now. In ancient times there is no system which can show notations in written form. The system to understand ragas is started only a century before our time by Pt. Bhatkhande.This claimed by muslim scholars that musiki is firstly given by them and starts from Iran after that followed by Bhatkhande.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You may think why I am saying so, but according to my thinking it is very necessary to understand all this and if we are not singing rags according to the lines of Ragmala than what is the relevance of it. It becomes more important if we are not following the Guru Granth Sahib than why we argue over it. It is important for Vijaydeep Singh.How many supporters of Ragamala understand ragas. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The second thing which verr Vijaydeep Singh is saying that there are gurbani which can resemble with Ragmala please code me one verses which is without teaching Nam and GOD now you will coat 'tunde *** raje ki dhuni' which is again not a well argument as mentioned by Madan Singh the link given by Jasleen Kaur.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The important thing Narayanjot Kaur ji, it is not established that there is any Bir which can be said as signed by Guru without Ragmala.This is the main cause of controversy [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]According to me the position of Ragmala is that one party can not prove till now how ragmala is included and second party can not prove how ragamala is gurbani so more efforts are necessary to understand this issue. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The important thing which we all must have to understand that we are discussing to know about the truth. We may be wrong or we may be right[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The appreciable thing is that though the ragmala supporters can not prove that Ragmala is Gurbani But their intensions are not bad because it can lead more controvercies and it is very much important to remain Guru Granth Sahib as intact and not venerable to change. So that richness of tradition can be protected.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The book suggested by Jasleen is worthy to read but much more research is necessary to make this issue more and clearer.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think as suggested by veer Vijaydeep Singh no such scientific research is necessary at this stage it is necessary that all the versions of Bir should be put on sights so that every one can know . It is strange thing one claims that he has seen Bir without Rgamala and the other claim that the same Bir is with Ragmala .So all the picture should be clear on net so that everybody can know.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]At the end I think it is clear that ragmala may be Bani or not but it is not practised by Sikhs . As Sikhs has no traditional history to fellow Ragmala as common Sikh can recite Gurbani but are not ready to hear Rags.They only hear Gurbani with Rag but if rag dominates no one is ready to listen. So it is also necessary to understand and it is tradition also.It is also a fact that 99% Sikh recognize ragmala because it is written in Guru Granth Sahib but not follow it.There may be any one but i can not know him please tell me who follow ragamala.Vijaydeep Singh ji you follow ragmala. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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