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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="AmarvelliSinghMaur" data-source="post: 177144" data-attributes="member: 19079"><p><strong>Re: The current state of Sikhism in the west.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And why should others carry that responsibility to carry that responsibility that many chose to reject and rely on others to visually represent ?</p><p>Everyone born in this planet has there own responsibilities to fulfill and neither anyone else should be carrying out those responsibilities for you.</p><p>The whole concept you have put forward of others carrying the flag shows that responsibility is not down to yourself but others, and this completely wrong on a intellectual level. Instead of telling others to understand there responsibility you should understand that you have your own responsibilities and that is not down to others to fulfill.</p><p>Before calling yourself a Sikh, understand that responsibilities both in your spiritual life and your professional life are down to you, not others.</p><p>Before we make new temples, we should concentrate on making Sikhs and the management of Sikh should advocate the principles and concepts which will allow people to understand what makes a Sikh.</p><p>Our religion was born from martyrdom, sacrifice, devotion to God and having the courage to fulfill there own responsibilities.</p><p>The current crisis that Sikhism is suffering is far beyond the cutting of hair, but a complete lack of education from a cultural perspective and spiritual perspective in what will allow people to become Sikhs that can aid the development of our sangat as a whole.</p><p>This is the responsibility that should have been carried out by Higher authorities in the Gudwara, to guide Sikhs and help them learn to walk this path of Sikhi. But sadly, having been to many gudwaras especially in the west, this responsibility to teach the younger generation has been sacrificed for commercial gain. To those who say the young girls and guys who wander from Sikhi are unworthy of Sikhs, is completely incorrect. Many of these youths are misguided and have no education about Sikhism, highlighting the failure of our temples for guiding and teaching how these youths can be Sikhs. Humans are not animals, but through the correct education an individual can be come anything they wish to, and when many start to understand Sikhism on an intellectual level this can be the spark of a spiritual journey towards becoming a Sikh.</p><p>It is the responsibility for the elder heir-achy to teach and educate the youngsters can be at least given the chance to understand and develop there own spiritual connection.</p><p>The elder committee of each gudwara, should all be first and for most good Sikhs and have the responsibility to connect the sangat to the spiritual gudwara. If sangat listen or don't, but what if that one person s has taken aboard these thoughts and has become interested in becoming a Sikh ?</p><p>Give these youngsters the chance to learn, including myself.</p><p>We hear many speeches in the gudwara about donations to 1984 families and charities, we hear many speeches about the formation of Khalistan, but why not dedicate time towards the youth who may have come every weekend but will have not have the slightest idea what is being said because many people have come from homes where punjabi is not spoken. Sikhs have become educated in the western world and are fluent in English and these Sikhs should dedicate at least an hour every day to educate these youngsters in english so they can at least can understand something which may lead to further desire to learn about Sikhism.</p><p>We don't need donations, we don't need money, we don't need guns and we certainly don't need a separate country yet.</p><p>We need teachers, we need Sikhs who care.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AmarvelliSinghMaur, post: 177144, member: 19079"] [b]Re: The current state of Sikhism in the west.[/b] And why should others carry that responsibility to carry that responsibility that many chose to reject and rely on others to visually represent ? Everyone born in this planet has there own responsibilities to fulfill and neither anyone else should be carrying out those responsibilities for you. The whole concept you have put forward of others carrying the flag shows that responsibility is not down to yourself but others, and this completely wrong on a intellectual level. Instead of telling others to understand there responsibility you should understand that you have your own responsibilities and that is not down to others to fulfill. Before calling yourself a Sikh, understand that responsibilities both in your spiritual life and your professional life are down to you, not others. Before we make new temples, we should concentrate on making Sikhs and the management of Sikh should advocate the principles and concepts which will allow people to understand what makes a Sikh. Our religion was born from martyrdom, sacrifice, devotion to God and having the courage to fulfill there own responsibilities. The current crisis that Sikhism is suffering is far beyond the cutting of hair, but a complete lack of education from a cultural perspective and spiritual perspective in what will allow people to become Sikhs that can aid the development of our sangat as a whole. This is the responsibility that should have been carried out by Higher authorities in the Gudwara, to guide Sikhs and help them learn to walk this path of Sikhi. But sadly, having been to many gudwaras especially in the west, this responsibility to teach the younger generation has been sacrificed for commercial gain. To those who say the young girls and guys who wander from Sikhi are unworthy of Sikhs, is completely incorrect. Many of these youths are misguided and have no education about Sikhism, highlighting the failure of our temples for guiding and teaching how these youths can be Sikhs. Humans are not animals, but through the correct education an individual can be come anything they wish to, and when many start to understand Sikhism on an intellectual level this can be the spark of a spiritual journey towards becoming a Sikh. It is the responsibility for the elder heir-achy to teach and educate the youngsters can be at least given the chance to understand and develop there own spiritual connection. The elder committee of each gudwara, should all be first and for most good Sikhs and have the responsibility to connect the sangat to the spiritual gudwara. If sangat listen or don't, but what if that one person s has taken aboard these thoughts and has become interested in becoming a Sikh ? Give these youngsters the chance to learn, including myself. We hear many speeches in the gudwara about donations to 1984 families and charities, we hear many speeches about the formation of Khalistan, but why not dedicate time towards the youth who may have come every weekend but will have not have the slightest idea what is being said because many people have come from homes where punjabi is not spoken. Sikhs have become educated in the western world and are fluent in English and these Sikhs should dedicate at least an hour every day to educate these youngsters in english so they can at least can understand something which may lead to further desire to learn about Sikhism. We don't need donations, we don't need money, we don't need guns and we certainly don't need a separate country yet. We need teachers, we need Sikhs who care. [/QUOTE]
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