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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="AmarvelliSinghMaur" data-source="post: 177121" data-attributes="member: 19079"><p>Satsriakal Fellow Pajis and Penjis, and elders on this forum.</p><p>Im Amar Singh Maur, and I am new to this forum and i am 18 years old having be born and brought up in England.</p><p>Now introducing my arrival to this forum, id like to say that i am very young in terms of knowledge of our religion and i am learning punjabi and i would very much look towards to learning about Sikhi.</p><p>But in my young life so far, in the west Sikhism is in a state which pretty much contradicts all the principles Sikhi founded its self upon.</p><p>Im a very keen reader in to philosphy and demecroacy and my inspirations step from martin luther king, malcom x and the late bhagat Singh.</p><p>My mom has always told me to speak my mind, especially whatever i hold inside my mind.</p><p>Having lived in England as a Singh, life has been difficult at times, espically being outcasted by members our own community who have decided to opt the modern look of being clean shaven and selling out there principles to fit in a drinking era.</p><p>Now before i talk about the current state of Sikhism i want to talk about the factors which i feel are responsible for the decline of Sikhs who follow the rehat of keeping hair.</p><p></p><p>The first is the mismanagement of our Religion by the religious institutes and leaders.</p><p>The problem here is that Sikhism has lowered its standards to allow even the most delinquent Punjabi raised individual to classify themselves as Sikhs. </p><p>This is simply the incorrect approach to Sikhism, and even God himself.</p><p>Whatever we achieve after death, mukhti, or being born in to cycle of rebirths is down to our lives, the life we lived, and our points must be accumulated for us to be allowed to reach god in our after life, we have to work towards that goal of being united with God. </p><p>The management of Sikhism has completely got this wrong, and has given 'Sikhs' the lowered entry requirements to be called themselves there Sikh by accepting people who have cut hair and people who live life which go against the principle of Sikhs.</p><p>This same principle applies to life.</p><p>If i were to apply for a university to study, i am expected to achieve the grades to be allowed entry, i have to earn my strap, earn my points to achieve that entry.</p><p>If universitys told me, that hey whatever you get we will let you in, do you think i will work just as hard ?</p><p>Most people will be lazy and just accept that ill be accepted regardless and there is no need to work hard, because the entry requirements have been lowered.</p><p>This is the problem of our Sikhi, we have lowered our values, our entry requirements, our principles to what qualify as a Sikh.</p><p>With this mindset, people think that whatever they do they are still a part of Sikhism, cutting there hair, drinking, and it doesn't matter no matter what they do they will be part of our religion.</p><p>What about those who fulfill the principles our religion was born on ?</p><p>Is it right for someone such as those who follow the principles and values as the same person who defies the rules ?</p><p>With this lowered accepting anything mindset, has led to people do what they please and has led to youths rebelling against religion and tradition in search of women, by becoming clean shaven.</p><p>These people have caused more damaged to the Sikh society, than then being apart of the religion.</p><p>This question begs the question</p><p>We see many debates going on in the Gudwara about 1984, what about the debates on what makes a Sikh ?</p><p>What about teaching what being a Sikh is ?</p><p>I have never heard in a temple which clearly rejects the notion of cutting hair.</p><p>We need to very correctly define what a Sikh is and allow the younger Sikhs to have a direction to follow rather than terming anyone who is born in to a sikh family with cut hair being a Sikh.</p><p></p><p>The main problem is that Gudwara committees simply do not have the courage to speak up about the current state of Sikhism, and more importantly what defines a Sikh.</p><p>This is because our religion is a commercial asset to the committees which run our temples. If they were to speak up about the wrongs of cutting hair, they know that the people who are in the wrong will simply not come to the gudwara and simply lose out on potential income which may come from them such as programs regarding path and langer sewa.</p><p></p><p>This is my honest view, fellow Sikhs feel free to debate as i have spoken my mind, and i want to hear your fellow views.</p><p>Amar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AmarvelliSinghMaur, post: 177121, member: 19079"] Satsriakal Fellow Pajis and Penjis, and elders on this forum. Im Amar Singh Maur, and I am new to this forum and i am 18 years old having be born and brought up in England. Now introducing my arrival to this forum, id like to say that i am very young in terms of knowledge of our religion and i am learning punjabi and i would very much look towards to learning about Sikhi. But in my young life so far, in the west Sikhism is in a state which pretty much contradicts all the principles Sikhi founded its self upon. Im a very keen reader in to philosphy and demecroacy and my inspirations step from martin luther king, malcom x and the late bhagat Singh. My mom has always told me to speak my mind, especially whatever i hold inside my mind. Having lived in England as a Singh, life has been difficult at times, espically being outcasted by members our own community who have decided to opt the modern look of being clean shaven and selling out there principles to fit in a drinking era. Now before i talk about the current state of Sikhism i want to talk about the factors which i feel are responsible for the decline of Sikhs who follow the rehat of keeping hair. The first is the mismanagement of our Religion by the religious institutes and leaders. The problem here is that Sikhism has lowered its standards to allow even the most delinquent Punjabi raised individual to classify themselves as Sikhs. This is simply the incorrect approach to Sikhism, and even God himself. Whatever we achieve after death, mukhti, or being born in to cycle of rebirths is down to our lives, the life we lived, and our points must be accumulated for us to be allowed to reach god in our after life, we have to work towards that goal of being united with God. The management of Sikhism has completely got this wrong, and has given 'Sikhs' the lowered entry requirements to be called themselves there Sikh by accepting people who have cut hair and people who live life which go against the principle of Sikhs. This same principle applies to life. If i were to apply for a university to study, i am expected to achieve the grades to be allowed entry, i have to earn my strap, earn my points to achieve that entry. If universitys told me, that hey whatever you get we will let you in, do you think i will work just as hard ? Most people will be lazy and just accept that ill be accepted regardless and there is no need to work hard, because the entry requirements have been lowered. This is the problem of our Sikhi, we have lowered our values, our entry requirements, our principles to what qualify as a Sikh. With this mindset, people think that whatever they do they are still a part of Sikhism, cutting there hair, drinking, and it doesn't matter no matter what they do they will be part of our religion. What about those who fulfill the principles our religion was born on ? Is it right for someone such as those who follow the principles and values as the same person who defies the rules ? With this lowered accepting anything mindset, has led to people do what they please and has led to youths rebelling against religion and tradition in search of women, by becoming clean shaven. These people have caused more damaged to the Sikh society, than then being apart of the religion. This question begs the question We see many debates going on in the Gudwara about 1984, what about the debates on what makes a Sikh ? What about teaching what being a Sikh is ? I have never heard in a temple which clearly rejects the notion of cutting hair. We need to very correctly define what a Sikh is and allow the younger Sikhs to have a direction to follow rather than terming anyone who is born in to a sikh family with cut hair being a Sikh. The main problem is that Gudwara committees simply do not have the courage to speak up about the current state of Sikhism, and more importantly what defines a Sikh. This is because our religion is a commercial asset to the committees which run our temples. If they were to speak up about the wrongs of cutting hair, they know that the people who are in the wrong will simply not come to the gudwara and simply lose out on potential income which may come from them such as programs regarding path and langer sewa. This is my honest view, fellow Sikhs feel free to debate as i have spoken my mind, and i want to hear your fellow views. Amar [/QUOTE]
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