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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Original" data-source="post: 202936" data-attributes="member: 14400"><p>Dear Ishna Ji</p><p></p><p>Sorry for the late response !</p><p></p><p>The <strong>truthfulness</strong> found in your recent email is commendable. Trust me, like Christ said, "ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you"-- here goes !</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If your view be correct then bani [34-37] would be a mere mental enterprise and not the divine reality of the transcendental world of Nanak's proclamations. This would mean, not<strong> dhur ki bani I, </strong>but<strong>, man ki bani I ? </strong>Hmn, waste of time for Nanak, don't you think ? Dichotomising the soul and the mind and setting up the two camps for manmukh n gurmukh, to what endeavours? Definite parado</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm a servant of Gur Ghar, my views n opinions fall short against the dictates of SGGSJ. Road to sachkhand is faith and not the mind. Look what Gur Nanak says, Ang 722:</p><p></p><p><strong>ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਜੈਸੀ ਮੈ ਆਵੈ ਖਸਮ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੈਸੜਾ ਕਰੀ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਵੇ ਲਾਲੋ ॥</strong></p><p>As the word of the Husband Lord comes to me, so do I express it O'Lalo.</p><p></p><p><strong>ਧੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਆਈ ॥ ਤਿਨਿ ਸਗਲੀ ਚਿੰਤ ਮਿਟਾਈ II Ang 628</strong></p><p>It is the Bani of God, not mine; it has descended from the primal Lord.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because the mind is a creature of the physical world and only accepts matter of fact and logic in a rational setting, on witnessing "anhad shabd" it is silenced forever because it cannot comprehend.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Metaphysical is Greek for that which is beyond the natural world [do check, my knowledge is bit rusty]. Transcendental is a state of being beyond the parameters of time n space. For example, sachkhand [the chautha padh or turyia] is a state of being beyond, conscious, sub-conscious and the unconscious states of being.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes there is that reality and you're right it is the transcendental - the satnam. Let us move away from this concept of maya for the moment and consider everything as being part n parcel of AP, including maya [theoretically speaking maya is considered as the spouse of mahadev, i.e Madho - name of God]. You the separated soul [eternal reality] have had so many experiences and will continue having them within physical existence [good, bad n the ugly] - but, there will be the one, the spiritual experience [one Nanak speaks of at Sultanpur Lodhi] which Gur Ghar is inviting you to have <strong>॥ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ II Ang 378 - </strong>Time to meet your other half from whom you're separated.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Neither did Nanak [sultanpur lodhi], but, what to do if the Lord takes fancy and say, "hey Ish, I wanna talk" - that is what Gurbani is.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't ! Go cut-up the body [human] and see if you can find the soul, you won't, coz it's non-matter. There is no duality but divinity. There is no super-consciousness per se, just an expression used to define an elevated state of being. So far science hasn't been able to 100% describe the biological basis for consciousness, but that is not say, future science won't. Conversely, if we were to believe that consciousness is exclusively confined to the workings of the brain then what will become of the immortal soul ? It to this end, which Sikhism points, consciousness surviving the death of the physical body. Look what an arch atheist, <strong>A. J. Ayer</strong> [philosopher] went through - In 1988, the year before his actual death, Ayer choked on a bit of smoked salmon, passed out, and his heart stopped for full 4 minutes. When, with the help of medical staff, he regained his consciousness, he reported so-called near-death experience. Ayer is quoted as having told his doctor that he would have to revise his opinions on life after death and God, since the experience was of the creator.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Guru Gobind ventured to capture AP through nouns and in so doing, gave AP 1200 to 1400 different names {Jap Sahib] but, to no avail, alas, he settled on the adjective and the verb. No, you're setting the sail, be of firm determination, AP will be knocking on your door soon, trust me. Besides, cognitive development is not innate nor learnt of others, but from own experience, and that too when the mind is ready.</p><p></p><p>It is God who is guiding you to a place where "perfection" awaits.</p><p></p><p>Goodnight -</p><p></p><p>PS pls overlook errs n expressions - rushed it a bit, sorry ! Believe in youself [sargun] and see the results</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Original, post: 202936, member: 14400"] Dear Ishna Ji Sorry for the late response ! The [B]truthfulness[/B] found in your recent email is commendable. Trust me, like Christ said, "ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you"-- here goes ! If your view be correct then bani [34-37] would be a mere mental enterprise and not the divine reality of the transcendental world of Nanak's proclamations. This would mean, not[B] dhur ki bani I, [/B]but[B], man ki bani I ? [/B]Hmn, waste of time for Nanak, don't you think ? Dichotomising the soul and the mind and setting up the two camps for manmukh n gurmukh, to what endeavours? Definite parado I'm a servant of Gur Ghar, my views n opinions fall short against the dictates of SGGSJ. Road to sachkhand is faith and not the mind. Look what Gur Nanak says, Ang 722: [B]ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਜੈਸੀ ਮੈ ਆਵੈ ਖਸਮ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਤੈਸੜਾ ਕਰੀ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਵੇ ਲਾਲੋ ॥[/B] As the word of the Husband Lord comes to me, so do I express it O'Lalo. [B]ਧੁਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਆਈ ॥ ਤਿਨਿ ਸਗਲੀ ਚਿੰਤ ਮਿਟਾਈ II Ang 628[/B] It is the Bani of God, not mine; it has descended from the primal Lord. Because the mind is a creature of the physical world and only accepts matter of fact and logic in a rational setting, on witnessing "anhad shabd" it is silenced forever because it cannot comprehend. Metaphysical is Greek for that which is beyond the natural world [do check, my knowledge is bit rusty]. Transcendental is a state of being beyond the parameters of time n space. For example, sachkhand [the chautha padh or turyia] is a state of being beyond, conscious, sub-conscious and the unconscious states of being. Yes there is that reality and you're right it is the transcendental - the satnam. Let us move away from this concept of maya for the moment and consider everything as being part n parcel of AP, including maya [theoretically speaking maya is considered as the spouse of mahadev, i.e Madho - name of God]. You the separated soul [eternal reality] have had so many experiences and will continue having them within physical existence [good, bad n the ugly] - but, there will be the one, the spiritual experience [one Nanak speaks of at Sultanpur Lodhi] which Gur Ghar is inviting you to have [B]॥ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ II Ang 378 - [/B]Time to meet your other half from whom you're separated. Neither did Nanak [sultanpur lodhi], but, what to do if the Lord takes fancy and say, "hey Ish, I wanna talk" - that is what Gurbani is. Don't ! Go cut-up the body [human] and see if you can find the soul, you won't, coz it's non-matter. There is no duality but divinity. There is no super-consciousness per se, just an expression used to define an elevated state of being. So far science hasn't been able to 100% describe the biological basis for consciousness, but that is not say, future science won't. Conversely, if we were to believe that consciousness is exclusively confined to the workings of the brain then what will become of the immortal soul ? It to this end, which Sikhism points, consciousness surviving the death of the physical body. Look what an arch atheist, [B]A. J. Ayer[/B] [philosopher] went through - In 1988, the year before his actual death, Ayer choked on a bit of smoked salmon, passed out, and his heart stopped for full 4 minutes. When, with the help of medical staff, he regained his consciousness, he reported so-called near-death experience. Ayer is quoted as having told his doctor that he would have to revise his opinions on life after death and God, since the experience was of the creator. Guru Gobind ventured to capture AP through nouns and in so doing, gave AP 1200 to 1400 different names {Jap Sahib] but, to no avail, alas, he settled on the adjective and the verb. No, you're setting the sail, be of firm determination, AP will be knocking on your door soon, trust me. Besides, cognitive development is not innate nor learnt of others, but from own experience, and that too when the mind is ready. It is God who is guiding you to a place where "perfection" awaits. Goodnight - PS pls overlook errs n expressions - rushed it a bit, sorry ! Believe in youself [sargun] and see the results [/QUOTE]
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