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That Non-Weapon Sure Is Pointy!
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 141340" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Caspian ji I generally agree with your comments and observations. I want to add some notes/comments to the excerpted portion below,</p><p></p><p>The point of the article (unless i totally missed the boat) is for us to start calling the horse a horse. The kirpan "is" a weapon. From their, you can make progress by adding other defining clauses like what the author of the article did.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <span style="color: Red">"The kirpan is a weapon BUT its purposely dull so as not to cause seriouse injury/ its largely symbolic and its use is restricted purely to cases of self defence." </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red">If you guys continue to argue "the kirpan is not a weapon" everyone is going to look at you and go "well it sure is one pointy non-weapon" (in reference to the title) </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red">And if your counter-arguments consist of "well anything could be a weapon" your simply side stepping the issue.<span style="color: Black"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: Black">It is a shame that people emphasize or mention it is dull. It should not be dull and should cut paper like a German knife. In my mind, Guru Gobind Singh ji did not send the tiar-bar-tiar Singh's after baptization with dull Kirpans. Otherwise why make it out of steel, let the panth leaders through Akal Takhat Sahib allow it to be made of wood.</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I remember the same debate taking place when we were little kids in India. People were suggesting that tiny Kirpan ornament in the Kangah should suffice for rehat. Without being flippant, my father used to say "Oh if there is a need for Kirpan as intended the people are going to through the Kangah on an attacker."</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: Black">I believe the Kirpan has the following essence for a Baptized practicising Singh,</span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><u>Integral part</u> of religious conformance/practice and oath of Baptization</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em><u>It is a weapon of self defense for self and other under unjust attack</u></em><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><em>As I said before, it should be sharp as anything so it is effective.</em></li> </ul> </li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Speaking the truth with necessary explanations is better than denial. You are more likely to get respect.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">I do believe in positive steps, </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">for travel purposes and security with computerization all across the world with linked databases the baptizied sikhs should voluntarily declare the wearing of Kirpan so there are less or no embarrassing moments.</li> </ul><p>Just some free thoughts not to attack anyone's sensitivities.</p><p></p><p>Sat Sri Akal.</p><p></p><p><strong><u>PS</u>: </strong><em>May be someone was pulling my leg but he said that "Master Ninja and Black Belt Karate people are required to declare their such status for travel purposes."</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 141340, member: 14194"] Caspian ji I generally agree with your comments and observations. I want to add some notes/comments to the excerpted portion below, The point of the article (unless i totally missed the boat) is for us to start calling the horse a horse. The kirpan "is" a weapon. From their, you can make progress by adding other defining clauses like what the author of the article did.[INDENT] [COLOR=Red]"The kirpan is a weapon BUT its purposely dull so as not to cause seriouse injury/ its largely symbolic and its use is restricted purely to cases of self defence." If you guys continue to argue "the kirpan is not a weapon" everyone is going to look at you and go "well it sure is one pointy non-weapon" (in reference to the title) And if your counter-arguments consist of "well anything could be a weapon" your simply side stepping the issue.[COLOR=Black] It is a shame that people emphasize or mention it is dull. It should not be dull and should cut paper like a German knife. In my mind, Guru Gobind Singh ji did not send the tiar-bar-tiar Singh's after baptization with dull Kirpans. Otherwise why make it out of steel, let the panth leaders through Akal Takhat Sahib allow it to be made of wood. [/COLOR][/COLOR] [LIST] [*]I remember the same debate taking place when we were little kids in India. People were suggesting that tiny Kirpan ornament in the Kangah should suffice for rehat. Without being flippant, my father used to say "Oh if there is a need for Kirpan as intended the people are going to through the Kangah on an attacker." [/LIST] [COLOR=Red][COLOR=Black] I believe the Kirpan has the following essence for a Baptized practicising Singh, [/COLOR][/COLOR] [LIST] [*][I][U]Integral part[/U] of religious conformance/practice and oath of Baptization[/I] [*][I][U]It is a weapon of self defense for self and other under unjust attack[/U][/I] [LIST] [*][I]As I said before, it should be sharp as anything so it is effective.[/I] [/LIST] [/LIST] Speaking the truth with necessary explanations is better than denial. You are more likely to get respect. I do believe in positive steps, [LIST] [*]for travel purposes and security with computerization all across the world with linked databases the baptizied sikhs should voluntarily declare the wearing of Kirpan so there are less or no embarrassing moments. [/LIST] [/INDENT]Just some free thoughts not to attack anyone's sensitivities. Sat Sri Akal. [B][U]PS[/U]: [/B][I]May be someone was pulling my leg but he said that "Master Ninja and Black Belt Karate people are required to declare their such status for travel purposes."[/I] [/QUOTE]
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