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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 6679" data-attributes="member: 189"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">How the “ Taksali Gyanis” make their fortunes and make us fools..</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Tall tale of Baba Budha Ji’s Var/Sraap..and Birth of Guru Hargobind Ji….</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Who hasn’t heard of the Sakhi that Guru Kian nu Bhaajrra paiyaan te Baba Budha Ji kolon var ate sraap dovenh leake hee Guru hargobind Jee da janam hoiyah ?? This tall tale is a favourite of the taksali Gyanis and Babas who come visiting Gurdwaras worldwide and spread misinformation/misconception.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">IS there a “concept” of Vaar and Sraap in Gurbani ?? Can anyone quote even one single line from GURBANI to show that Gurmatt believes in Vaars and Sraaps. The clear answer is NO….but does that worry these parcharaks….not at all. They continue to bamboozle the sangat with these blatant LIES and at the end say “ AAKHO SATNAM SRI WAHEGURU”….as if the false story they just related is Dhur Ki bani.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Lets examine a few of these misconceptions. Just as the Balak Hargobind was allegedly “poisoned” by the maid by putting poison on her Breasts….so did a maid of Bhagwaan Krishan…just as Guru Nanak Ji was “shaded” by a Cobra Snake..so was Prophet Mohammed. Physically there is no snake hood so large as to be able to shade a sleeping human face….and can a snake hood keep a person “cool” enough to continue sleeping ?? Bhai Santokh Singh says the snake that shaded Guru ji was WHITE…an albino cobra of this size is an absolute RARITY ?? same snake that shaded Mohammed?? Or is the story copied ?? or someone trying to pass on "divintiy" to Guru Ji ??</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Then we have the tall tale of Bhai Joga Singh and Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Here we have such a SIDKEE SINGH, who is so full of Pyaar that he leaves his lavaan half way in order to obey Guru Ji’s Command..but then this Sidkee singh with so much pyaar..falls prey to KAAM..IF at all Joga Singh was so full of Kaam then he could have delayed Obeying Guru Ji’s orders..and complete his lavaan and take his legally wedded wife to bed, satisfy his kaam and then proceed to Anandpur…and GURU JI is shown to be “physically” present in Anandpur Sahib as well as at Peshawar guarding the prostitute’s den. GURU JI is “nodding” off to sleep ( IN FULL DARBAR AT ANADPUR SAHIB) as he stayed awake the whole night !!! ( IN PESHAWAR) ???</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guur Ji is leaving Anandpur Sahib…his family is separated, all his valuable writings, the product of many years and 52 kavis, a lot of wealth etc etc are all LOST in the Sarsa River, BUT GURU ji doesn’t SHOW a miracle by being at “two places”…HE stays in ONE PLACE… When Guru Ji leaves the Chamkaur Gharri, the army commanders of Nawab of malerkotlas nabi khan and ghani khan come to His aid….GURU JI again doesn’t “disappear” but stays in one physical BODY.. for helping Guru ji, Kotla Nihuang Khaan and his companions are later caught by the Moghul forces and buried up to their necks and then wild dogs are let loose to tear their heads alive…GURU JI again DOESN’T APPEAR to help them in any way… The ONE and ONLY time Guru Ji does this “miracle” is when the Tale has to show how Joga Singh is at once sucha good sidkee pyara singh and then in an instant he is a bad kaami person..and GURU JI has to be in TWO PLACES just to SAVE JOGA SINGH !!!</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now we come to SRAAP of baba Budha Ji… according to this taksali Ithihass..Guru hargobind Ji had to LEAVE AMRITSAR and go to Vaddali. Then WHAT is the REASON GURU ANGAD JI left Kartarpur to Go to KHADOOR ?? What reason for GURU Amardass Ji to leave KHADOOR and go to GOINDWAAL ?? And GURU RAMDASS JI left Goindwaal to go to AMRITSAR ?? Then GURU Arjun Ji left AMRITSAR to go to Kartarpur Jalandhar and Taran Taran and …following this TRADITION Guru hargobind JI left Amrtisar to go to Vaddali. ALL the GURUS did such to OPEN up NEW CENTRES of SIKHI….certainly not due to some SRAAP of baba budha Ji. ??</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">WHAT does GURBANI say about Vaar sraaps ? NO one can Do anything !!!</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bhai matt koi janno kisee keai Kicchh hath hai SABH KAREH KRAYAH..</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Jara mara taap sirat saap SABH HAR KE VASS HAI koi lagg na sakeh bin hark e laiyah……aang 168 Mh 4</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">AAng 418 guru nanak ji says..Koi mughal na hoah andha kineh na parchaa laiyah..</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">( the pandits and mullahs holy men had told the Lodhis that they would SRAAP the Babar forces to make them BLIND, close their cannons… Guur Ji tells what really happened !!!</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Arjun Ji himself states in His Gurbani..Manukh ke tek birthee sabh jaan.. DEVAN KO EKEH BHAGWAAN … then this same GURU JI “asks” his wife to go to Baba Budha Ji for a SON ?? Do you now understand why ALL BABAS/SANTS “OFFER SONS” to anyone who wants one ?? When In fact even GURU NANAK JI didn’t interfere with nature/Waheguru Ji to “give” his sister bebe nanki a “child/son”..she died CHILDLESS . Can anyone really believe that “bebe Nanaki, who loved her Brother nanak so much didn’t ask him for a son ?? or Nanak ji didn’t realize how much she longed for a son/child ??...”Karan karan PRABH ek hai..doosar nahin koi… …Mangoh RAAM te SABH THOK….. JHOOTHA mangagn je koi manggeh…. ISNT a “Manng” for a SON a Jhootha manggan ?? can GURU JI descend to this jhootha manggan ??</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Avar updeseh aap na kareh ??are we accusing Guru Ji of this ?? Can OUR GURU JI advise US to ask from WAHEGURU..but then He himself go to baba budha Ji ?? impossible…</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">IT is high time we release ourselves from all these anti gurmatt anti gurbani tall tales masquarding as “history”..and stop giving money to these parcharaks who have nothing except these juicy tall tales to relate and Boloh Satnam Sri Waheguru every few minutes.</span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Jarnail Singh</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 6679, member: 189"] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]How the “ Taksali Gyanis” make their fortunes and make us fools..[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Tall tale of Baba Budha Ji’s Var/Sraap..and Birth of Guru Hargobind Ji….[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Who hasn’t heard of the Sakhi that Guru Kian nu Bhaajrra paiyaan te Baba Budha Ji kolon var ate sraap dovenh leake hee Guru hargobind Jee da janam hoiyah ?? This tall tale is a favourite of the taksali Gyanis and Babas who come visiting Gurdwaras worldwide and spread misinformation/misconception.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]IS there a “concept” of Vaar and Sraap in Gurbani ?? Can anyone quote even one single line from GURBANI to show that Gurmatt believes in Vaars and Sraaps. The clear answer is NO….but does that worry these parcharaks….not at all. They continue to bamboozle the sangat with these blatant LIES and at the end say “ AAKHO SATNAM SRI WAHEGURU”….as if the false story they just related is Dhur Ki bani.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Lets examine a few of these misconceptions. Just as the Balak Hargobind was allegedly “poisoned” by the maid by putting poison on her Breasts….so did a maid of Bhagwaan Krishan…just as Guru Nanak Ji was “shaded” by a Cobra Snake..so was Prophet Mohammed. Physically there is no snake hood so large as to be able to shade a sleeping human face….and can a snake hood keep a person “cool” enough to continue sleeping ?? Bhai Santokh Singh says the snake that shaded Guru ji was WHITE…an albino cobra of this size is an absolute RARITY ?? same snake that shaded Mohammed?? Or is the story copied ?? or someone trying to pass on "divintiy" to Guru Ji ??[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Then we have the tall tale of Bhai Joga Singh and Guru Gobind Singh Ji. Here we have such a SIDKEE SINGH, who is so full of Pyaar that he leaves his lavaan half way in order to obey Guru Ji’s Command..but then this Sidkee singh with so much pyaar..falls prey to KAAM..IF at all Joga Singh was so full of Kaam then he could have delayed Obeying Guru Ji’s orders..and complete his lavaan and take his legally wedded wife to bed, satisfy his kaam and then proceed to Anandpur…and GURU JI is shown to be “physically” present in Anandpur Sahib as well as at Peshawar guarding the prostitute’s den. GURU JI is “nodding” off to sleep ( IN FULL DARBAR AT ANADPUR SAHIB) as he stayed awake the whole night !!! ( IN PESHAWAR) ???[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guur Ji is leaving Anandpur Sahib…his family is separated, all his valuable writings, the product of many years and 52 kavis, a lot of wealth etc etc are all LOST in the Sarsa River, BUT GURU ji doesn’t SHOW a miracle by being at “two places”…HE stays in ONE PLACE… When Guru Ji leaves the Chamkaur Gharri, the army commanders of Nawab of malerkotlas nabi khan and ghani khan come to His aid….GURU JI again doesn’t “disappear” but stays in one physical BODY.. for helping Guru ji, Kotla Nihuang Khaan and his companions are later caught by the Moghul forces and buried up to their necks and then wild dogs are let loose to tear their heads alive…GURU JI again DOESN’T APPEAR to help them in any way… The ONE and ONLY time Guru Ji does this “miracle” is when the Tale has to show how Joga Singh is at once sucha good sidkee pyara singh and then in an instant he is a bad kaami person..and GURU JI has to be in TWO PLACES just to SAVE JOGA SINGH !!![/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Now we come to SRAAP of baba Budha Ji… according to this taksali Ithihass..Guru hargobind Ji had to LEAVE AMRITSAR and go to Vaddali. Then WHAT is the REASON GURU ANGAD JI left Kartarpur to Go to KHADOOR ?? What reason for GURU Amardass Ji to leave KHADOOR and go to GOINDWAAL ?? And GURU RAMDASS JI left Goindwaal to go to AMRITSAR ?? Then GURU Arjun Ji left AMRITSAR to go to Kartarpur Jalandhar and Taran Taran and …following this TRADITION Guru hargobind JI left Amrtisar to go to Vaddali. ALL the GURUS did such to OPEN up NEW CENTRES of SIKHI….certainly not due to some SRAAP of baba budha Ji. ??[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]WHAT does GURBANI say about Vaar sraaps ? NO one can Do anything !!![/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Bhai matt koi janno kisee keai Kicchh hath hai SABH KAREH KRAYAH..[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Jara mara taap sirat saap SABH HAR KE VASS HAI koi lagg na sakeh bin hark e laiyah……aang 168 Mh 4[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]AAng 418 guru nanak ji says..Koi mughal na hoah andha kineh na parchaa laiyah..[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]( the pandits and mullahs holy men had told the Lodhis that they would SRAAP the Babar forces to make them BLIND, close their cannons… Guur Ji tells what really happened !!![/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Guru Arjun Ji himself states in His Gurbani..Manukh ke tek birthee sabh jaan.. DEVAN KO EKEH BHAGWAAN … then this same GURU JI “asks” his wife to go to Baba Budha Ji for a SON ?? Do you now understand why ALL BABAS/SANTS “OFFER SONS” to anyone who wants one ?? When In fact even GURU NANAK JI didn’t interfere with nature/Waheguru Ji to “give” his sister bebe nanki a “child/son”..she died CHILDLESS . Can anyone really believe that “bebe Nanaki, who loved her Brother nanak so much didn’t ask him for a son ?? or Nanak ji didn’t realize how much she longed for a son/child ??...”Karan karan PRABH ek hai..doosar nahin koi… …Mangoh RAAM te SABH THOK….. JHOOTHA mangagn je koi manggeh…. ISNT a “Manng” for a SON a Jhootha manggan ?? can GURU JI descend to this jhootha manggan ??[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Avar updeseh aap na kareh ??are we accusing Guru Ji of this ?? Can OUR GURU JI advise US to ask from WAHEGURU..but then He himself go to baba budha Ji ?? impossible…[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]IT is high time we release ourselves from all these anti gurmatt anti gurbani tall tales masquarding as “history”..and stop giving money to these parcharaks who have nothing except these juicy tall tales to relate and Boloh Satnam Sri Waheguru every few minutes.[/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3] [/size][/font] [font=Times New Roman][size=3]Jarnail Singh[/size][/font] [/QUOTE]
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