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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Bijla Singh" data-source="post: 49763" data-attributes="member: 1003"><p><span style="color: black">Kaloo Raam is not just wrong on "certain things" but on most of the things. He attacks respected Gursikhs in the panth such as Baba Jarnail Singh Ji, Bhai Veer Singh Ji, Baba Banda Singh Ji and others. He insulted Amrit, 5 banis and numerous other accepted practices. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Patasay have been used in Amrit eversince. The oldest written accounts on Amrit are of spy of Aurangzeb, Abul Durani and Bhai Jeevan singh Ji (previous name Bhai Jait Mal Ji). Bhai Sahib clearly states in his account that five banis were recited, sarabloh was used and patasay were used. Reference of Bhai Kahan Singh is not solid as it is based on hearsay. In any case, this is not the point of discussion here.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Not all jathebandis approved maryada. Again, it sets minimum requirements but nowhere does it say that reading 5 banis is wrong. No proof was provided as to why 3 banis and not five when most of the jathebandis read five banis. My cousin was told to recite all five banis at Akal Takhat Sahib. Sachkhand exists - "Sachkhand Wassay Nirankar". According to Meharbaan Janamsakhi and Bhagat bani Ithaas much evidence has been provided. I suggest you read it first. I personally have not read these accounts but I still believe Bhagats were Sikhs because their bani is directly in line with Gurubani. Gurbani is clear on the stance that without obtaining naam from Satguru no one can get salvation. This also applies to Bhagats. Sarabloh and bibek have been discussed with you previously so no need to do it again. Jhatka was opposed but for every point evidence was presented. It was not Bhai Sahib who mistranslated but it is you who are doing this. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Rehat Maryada, Missionary printed books, Gurbani, Vaars and Rehatnamas prove it beyond the doubt that Naam is Gurmantar. Professor Sahib Singh agrees with it also. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">By insulting other jathebandis and using foul language you are only harming your own jeevan and weakening your own case. When you use foul language just think if Guru Sahib would use the same words. All issues can be resolved with love. SGPC Maryada cannot be accepted entirely. It makes no sense to accept it first and then change it. Change it first and then accept it. I do not reject it but I simply disagree with some points. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bijla Singh, post: 49763, member: 1003"] [COLOR=black]Kaloo Raam is not just wrong on "certain things" but on most of the things. He attacks respected Gursikhs in the panth such as Baba Jarnail Singh Ji, Bhai Veer Singh Ji, Baba Banda Singh Ji and others. He insulted Amrit, 5 banis and numerous other accepted practices. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Patasay have been used in Amrit eversince. The oldest written accounts on Amrit are of spy of Aurangzeb, Abul Durani and Bhai Jeevan singh Ji (previous name Bhai Jait Mal Ji). Bhai Sahib clearly states in his account that five banis were recited, sarabloh was used and patasay were used. Reference of Bhai Kahan Singh is not solid as it is based on hearsay. In any case, this is not the point of discussion here.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Not all jathebandis approved maryada. Again, it sets minimum requirements but nowhere does it say that reading 5 banis is wrong. No proof was provided as to why 3 banis and not five when most of the jathebandis read five banis. My cousin was told to recite all five banis at Akal Takhat Sahib. Sachkhand exists - "Sachkhand Wassay Nirankar". According to Meharbaan Janamsakhi and Bhagat bani Ithaas much evidence has been provided. I suggest you read it first. I personally have not read these accounts but I still believe Bhagats were Sikhs because their bani is directly in line with Gurubani. Gurbani is clear on the stance that without obtaining naam from Satguru no one can get salvation. This also applies to Bhagats. Sarabloh and bibek have been discussed with you previously so no need to do it again. Jhatka was opposed but for every point evidence was presented. It was not Bhai Sahib who mistranslated but it is you who are doing this. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Rehat Maryada, Missionary printed books, Gurbani, Vaars and Rehatnamas prove it beyond the doubt that Naam is Gurmantar. Professor Sahib Singh agrees with it also. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]By insulting other jathebandis and using foul language you are only harming your own jeevan and weakening your own case. When you use foul language just think if Guru Sahib would use the same words. All issues can be resolved with love. SGPC Maryada cannot be accepted entirely. It makes no sense to accept it first and then change it. Change it first and then accept it. I do not reject it but I simply disagree with some points. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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