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Sukhmani Sahib:6th Ashtapadee:4th Pauri:My Understanding
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 93736" data-attributes="member: 35"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">pk70 ji -- Thank you so much for your kindness.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I do not want to argue either, only to clarify something. The noun <em>dhhyaan (or dhhiann) </em>and its associated verb <em>dhiaaee,</em> as cited by Amarpal ji (</span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'">aUTq bYTq sd iqsih iDAweI ] </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">oo<u>th</u>a<u>t</u> bai<u>th</u>a<u>t</u> sa<u>d</u> <u>t</u>iseh <span style="color: DarkRed"><strong><u>Dh</u>i-aa-ee.</strong></span> </span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Getting up or while sitting one enshrine that ‘The Sat’ in mind) <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black">is a reference to "meditation" and to "meditate." However, this is not just any form of meditation. It is considered the 4th stage of meditation when the mind is completely still and is totally absorbed in the Sat. It is the stage before <em>mokhsha</em></span></span></span><span style="color: Black"> or <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>mukhti</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><em>.</em> </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black">In other words, consciousness is centered and focused. It is a place of bliss, and progresses to a state of freedom from both joy and pain. Meditation at this stage is level because it is undisturbed. Other processes of consciousness have been absorbed into <em>dhyann</em>. Guru Arjan says, "Getting up or while sitting down... <em>oothat baithat sad tiseh Dhiaaee," </em>because one who has achieved <em>dhyann</em>, can move in and out of bliss at will (no matter what he is doing) and retains this inner sense of bliss or steady focus.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black">So when Amarpal likens this to a "base" my inference is that consciousness has now become centered, and it has come to rest in a firm and undisturbed place, a foundation that is unmovable. It is now in communion with the "Sat" and the Sat is the base, the foundation, the equipoise. How could this be in contradiction to Guru Nanak's teaching? If so, I humbly ask you please explain my error in thinking to me. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: Black">Guru Nanak does say</span></span></span>, </span></span></span></span>ਪੰਚਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ panchaa kaa gur eaek <span style="color: red"><span style="color: red">dhhia</span></span>an ||The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru. <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 10px">He says "single-mindedly:" -- that is how he explains the centered quality, the steadiness of <em>dhhiaan</em>/<em>dhyanm</em>. This is on Ang 6. But also he says, </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></span></span>ਕਰਮੀ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੀ ਕੇ ਨੇੜੈ ਕੇ ਦੂਰਿ ॥ </p><p>karamee aapo aapanee kae naerrai kae dhoor ||</p><p>According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven ****her away.</p><p><span style="color: red"> </span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span>ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ॥ </p><p>jinee naam <span style="color: Black"><strong>dhhiaaeiaa</strong></span> geae masakath ghaal ||</p><p>Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows</p><p><span style="color: red"> </span></p><p><span style="color: red"></span> ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਕੇਤੀ ਛੁਟੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ </p><p>naanak thae mukh oujalae kaethee shhuttee naal ||1||</p><p>-O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1|| Ang 8</p><p></p><p>Here Guru Nanak is explaining how this quality of <em>dhhiaan/dhyann </em>takes a person to the next level, that of liberation. No?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 93736, member: 35"] [FONT=Arial]pk70 ji -- Thank you so much for your kindness. I do not want to argue either, only to clarify something. The noun [I]dhhyaan (or dhhiann) [/I]and its associated verb [I]dhiaaee,[/I] as cited by Amarpal ji ([/FONT][COLOR=maroon][FONT=WebAkharThick]aUTq bYTq sd iqsih iDAweI ] [/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][FONT=Tahoma]oo[U]th[/U]a[U]t[/U] bai[U]th[/U]a[U]t[/U] sa[U]d[/U] [U]t[/U]iseh [COLOR=DarkRed][B][U]Dh[/U]i-aa-ee.[/B][/COLOR] [/FONT][COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Times New Roman]Getting up or while sitting one enshrine that ‘The Sat’ in mind) [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]is a reference to "meditation" and to "meditate." However, this is not just any form of meditation. It is considered the 4th stage of meditation when the mind is completely still and is totally absorbed in the Sat. It is the stage before [I]mokhsha[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=Black] or [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I]mukhti[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][I].[/I] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]In other words, consciousness is centered and focused. It is a place of bliss, and progresses to a state of freedom from both joy and pain. Meditation at this stage is level because it is undisturbed. Other processes of consciousness have been absorbed into [I]dhyann[/I]. Guru Arjan says, "Getting up or while sitting down... [I]oothat baithat sad tiseh Dhiaaee," [/I]because one who has achieved [I]dhyann[/I], can move in and out of bliss at will (no matter what he is doing) and retains this inner sense of bliss or steady focus. So when Amarpal likens this to a "base" my inference is that consciousness has now become centered, and it has come to rest in a firm and undisturbed place, a foundation that is unmovable. It is now in communion with the "Sat" and the Sat is the base, the foundation, the equipoise. How could this be in contradiction to Guru Nanak's teaching? If so, I humbly ask you please explain my error in thinking to me. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]:confused:[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Times New Roman] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=Black]Guru Nanak does say[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT], [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]ਪੰਚਾ ਕਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਏਕੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥ panchaa kaa gur eaek [COLOR=red][COLOR=red]dhhia[/COLOR][/COLOR]an ||The chosen ones meditate single-mindedly on the Guru. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]He says "single-mindedly:" -- that is how he explains the centered quality, the steadiness of [I]dhhiaan[/I]/[I]dhyanm[/I]. This is on Ang 6. But also he says, [/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]ਕਰਮੀ ਆਪੋ ਆਪਣੀ ਕੇ ਨੇੜੈ ਕੇ ਦੂਰਿ ॥ karamee aapo aapanee kae naerrai kae dhoor || According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven ****her away. [COLOR=red] [/COLOR]ਜਿਨੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗਏ ਮਸਕਤਿ ਘਾਲਿ ॥ jinee naam [COLOR=Black][B]dhhiaaeiaa[/B][/COLOR] geae masakath ghaal || Those who have meditated on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked by the sweat of their brows [COLOR=red] [/COLOR] ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਉਜਲੇ ਕੇਤੀ ਛੁਟੀ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥ naanak thae mukh oujalae kaethee shhuttee naal ||1|| -O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them! ||1|| Ang 8 Here Guru Nanak is explaining how this quality of [I]dhhiaan/dhyann [/I]takes a person to the next level, that of liberation. No? [/QUOTE]
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