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Gurbani (489-503)
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Gurbani (527-536)
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Gurbani (537-556)
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Gurbani (595-634)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Chhant (687-691)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
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Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
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Gurbani (721-727)
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Gurbani (795-831)
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Thitteen (838-840)
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Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
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Sidh Gosat (938-946)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
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Kaafee (1014-1016)
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
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Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 49625" data-attributes="member: 189"><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Compare What Science is in Gurbani of SGGS..and then have alook at the state of "Science" in the Koran. Readers can judge for themsleves which religious teaching is "really DIVINE"...and which is man made !!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The first thing to note is that Islam arose in seventh century </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Arabia, a part of the world that had been influenced by the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">civilisations of ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt. Therefore, before we </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">can say that something is a new scientific prediction in the Qur'an </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">we must be sure that it was not a commonplace among these previous </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">civilisations. However, some Muslims today like to say that the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">claims of scientific accuracy in the Qur'an prove its divine origin. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">For instance, they refer to the idea that the universe originated </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">from a gaseous material. (Qur'an 41:11). However, the idea that the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">universe began as some sort of gaseous vortex was ubiquitous </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">throughout Persian and Greek ideology. That the Qur'an says the same </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">thing is thus not at all surprising. Some Greek philosophers </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">identified a lot of scientific details correctly, but this does not </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">make them supernaturally prescient, nor does it do so for the Qur'an.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Moreover, its prediction is not testable. The Qur'an fails to say </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">anything about specific gasses, or that there was more than one </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(helium and hydrogen), or anything scientifically specific at all, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">like why or how the universe originated or evolved, no mention of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">scientific-mathematical laws or relationships or physical constants. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It thus makes no scientific statement at all. It says something </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">hopelessly vague and unoriginal for its time. Thus, any future </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">scientific finding could be retrofitted to suit what it says. It is </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">thus scientifically useless, and would be even if it were true.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Furthermore, our scientific understanding is that the universe did </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">not begin as a gas. If current Big Bang science is correct, the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">universe began before any matter of any kind existed - it began as </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">pure energy. It took several moments for any matter to form, and then </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">it was a plasma, not a gas. Gases only came later, after the plasma </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">cooled, and yet gasses were still not the only constituent--much of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the mass-energy at even that point, as before, was comprised of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">electromagnetic radiation - light. The fact that the Qur'an fails to </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mention any of this or any other crucial scientific information is </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">precisely why its claim to "scientific accuracy" is to be dismissed. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is making vague metaphysical statements, and that is not science.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To understand how vague the claim is we need to understand that the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">passage in question actually does not say "gaseous material." The </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Arabic word used is dukhan, "smoke." This is claimed to be a "perfect </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">analogy" for gas and particles in suspension, and the gasses being </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">hot. Is it? Not really. Smoke is made of ash, predominantly carbon, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">and is produced from burning (oxidation), not plasma condensation. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Smoke looks nothing like heated hydrogen or helium, does not share </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">its elemental mass or other properties, and does not even possess </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">many of the general properties of a gas. Thus, it is the wrong word. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Arabic could not lack the vocabulary to simply say "hot air" or "hot </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">gases expanding in an empty space" or anything even remotely relevant </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">to the truth. If you can change the meaning of a word at will, and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">convert a word for "carbon-based ash" into "two basic gases," then </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">you can change the meaning of any word in any book to prove any </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">theory you want. Far from being scientific, that is the very </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">antithesis of science.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Finally, the very passage in question is neatly quoted out of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">context, disguising the fact that the whole section actually clearly </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">and flatly contradicts known science. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[41:9] Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Do you verily disbelieve in Him Who </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">created the earth in two Days and you set up rivals (in worship) with </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Him? That is the Lord of the Alam" (mankind, jinns and all that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">exists).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[41:10] He placed therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains from above </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">it, and He blessed it, and measured therein its sustenance (for its </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">dwellers) in four Days equal (i.e. all these four 'days' were equal </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">in the length of time), for all those who ask (about its creation).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[41:11] Then He istaw (rose over) towards the heaven when it was </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">smoke, and said to it and to the earth: "Come both of you willingly </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or unwillingly." They both said: "We come, willingly."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[41:12] Then He completed seven heavens in two Days and He made in </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">each heaven its affair. And We adorned the nearest (lowest) heaven </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">with lamps (stars) to be an adornment as well as to guard (from the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">devils by using them as missiles against the devils). Such is the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Decree of Him the All-Mighty, the All-Knower.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The Qur'an repeats often that Allah created everything in six days </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(e.g. 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59, 50:38, 57:4), just as the Old </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Testament says. However, if we add up the days here we seem to have 8 </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">days – 2 for making the earth, 4 for filling it, and 2 for creating </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the Heavens. One solution is to link together verses 9 and 10 so that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the 4 days in verse 10 are an extension of the 2 days mentioned in </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">verse 9.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">That the earth is finished before God turns to the creation of the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">heaven is confirmed in Sura 2:29 which says, "He it is Who hath </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">created for you all that is on earth. Then He turned to the heaven, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">and made them into seven heavens." (In contradiction, Sura 79:27-30 </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">seems to claim that the Heavens were made before the Earth, which </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">appears more consistent with modern science but then makes a mockery </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">of the claim that Sura 41 is scientific when it is being contradicted </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">from within the Qur'an.)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"Then He turned to the heaven, which was only smoke at that time. He </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">said to the heaven and the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">unwillingly." -- Sura 41:11. This scenario also has its scientific </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">problems as it claims that the Earth was created and completed before </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the Heavens (stars, planets) made from "smoke." This is a problem </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">because the elements of which planets are made did not exist until </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the gases condensed into stars, and the stars exploded and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">recondensed over several cycles, generating the heavy elements that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">eventually condensed into planets around new stars. Moreover, few </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">astronomers would agree with the idea that the stars were created to </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">be thrown as missiles against devils. If devils originate from </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Satan's refusal to bow before clay-made man, then they cannot be more </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">than three million years old, yet the stars we see today may be </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">billions of years older than the Earth.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Moreover, verse 41:12 repeats a popular superstition found throughout </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the Greco-Persian world of the day: the myth of the seven heavens. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">This was an inherent component of almost every pagan religion, and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">also of Judaism and Christianity, and a clear marker of cultural </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">borrowing, with no practical scientific meaning. Thus, we clearly see </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the Qur'an in error here, and we can easily account for this error in </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">natural, human terms. There is nothing more to be said. Indeed, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the "seven heavens" motif is a false count of the solar bodies, and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">even implies geocentrism, since "the seven heavens" are traditionally </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">delineated by the seven "planets," i.e. the sun, moon, Mercury, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. No one yet knew of Uranus, Neptune, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">or Pluto, much less the asteroid belt. Nor did anyone yet know that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the moon is the only body that actually orbits the earth, and that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the sun does not orbit at all, and thus neither should be classified </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">with the other planets.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With the exception of the Ancient Greek philosophers ancient people </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">believed that the Earth was flat. Aristarchus of Samos had shown that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the Earth went around the Sun and Eratosthenes of Cyrene had measured </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the diameter of the Earth. The Qur'an does not support the views of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">these philosophers but promotes the popular thought of the time. Here </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I quote some of the verses from the Quran so that we can form the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">concept of the movement of the Sun:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"And the Sun runs on its fixed course for a term" [Ya-Sin(36:38)]. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Moreover, "And He has subjected the Sun and the moon. Each running </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty" [Az-Zumar</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(39:5)]. Also, "He has subjected the Sun and the moon (to continue </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed" </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[Ar-Ra'd (13:2)]. Furthermore, "And He it is Who has created the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">night and the day, and the Sun and the moon, each in an orbit </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">running" [Al-Anbiya(21:33)]. Finally,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"Allah merges the night into the day, and merges the day into the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">night, and has subjected the Sun and the moon, each running its </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">course for a term appointed; and that Allah is aware of what you do" </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">[Luqman(31:29)].</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now, I quote the following verses which clearly state that according </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">to the Qur'an the Earth is fixed. "And among His Signs is that the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">sky and the Earth stand by His Command" [ Ar-Rum(30:25)]. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Moreover, "Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the Earth lest they </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">move away from their places" [ Fatir (35:41)]. Also, "Is not He Who </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">has made the Earth as a fixed abode" [An-Naml (27:61)]. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Furthermore, "He has created the heavens without any pillars, that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">you see and has set on the Earth firm mountains, lest it should shake </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">with you" [Luqman (31:10)]. Again, "It is god who has made for you </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the Earth as a resting place and sky as a canopy" [Al-Baqara </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(02:22)]. Also, "And He has affixed into the Earth mountains standing </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">firm, lest it should shake with you" [An-Nahl (16:15)].</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The mountains are a kind of peg to settle down the Earth. However, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">modern seismology tells us that the mountains are the result of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">energy flows and fluxes within the Earth. Ancient people were </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">concerned about what the Sun did at night. The Qur'an says that one </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">of the righteous men of God's servants saw the Sun setting in a </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">certain place of the Earth-in a particular a well full of water and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">in the Qur'an (chapter "the Cave", verse 86): "When he reached the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">setting place of the Sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">found a people thereabout. We said: 'O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">show them kindness" [Al-Kahf (18:86)]. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">A hadith (collection of stories relating to the life of the Prophet) </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">tells us: "The Prophet asked me at Sunset, "Do you know where the Sun </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">goes (at the time of Sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Allah: "And the Sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">In Arabic `ard' means the earth and `falak' is rotation. There is </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">nowhere in the Qur'an where these words follow one after another. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">However, this view is not only found in the Qur'an. "The Earth is </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">permanently established. It will not move" [PSLAMS-93/1,96/10 and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">104/5]. Moreover, the Hindu scriptures also observed, ""Sabita made </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">this Earth fixed by different devices (like hills and mountains) and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">sustains sky without pillars so that it does not move" and "The sky </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">is immovable, the Earth is immovable and these mountains are also </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">immovable" [RIK VEDA 10-173-4].</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">People of the ancient world did not have proper scientific knowledge, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">they had numerous wrong concepts about our solar system. They </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">erroneously believed that the Earth is fixed and is the center of the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">universe, while the Sun, moon and the planets move around the Earth. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Their fallacious reasoning made them conclude that the sky is a </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">canopy of the Earth and can sustain itself without pillars by the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">grace of God (see the verses that I quoted above) and the firm </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">mountains have been created by God to prevent the Earth from shaking -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">beliefs which are not true. So the ancient books like the Quran, the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bible, the Gita, the Mahabharat and the Vedas which are written by </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">ancient people are not free from scientific misconceptions, flaws and </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">contradictions</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We find in the Qur'an 7:54: "Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">heavens and the earth in six days." Some Muslims have claimed that </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">the word for day does not only mean day, but can mean `period', or </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">even `eon', which means that it can be interpreted in line with the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">vast time scales of modern astronomy. However, it is scientifically </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">useless as it does not give any precise period for a day and, </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">therefore, cannot give rise to any prediction. It does also doubtful </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">since the most admired and `rightly guided' commentators of the early </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">centuries of Islam took the creation days to be literal 24 hours week </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">days. Yet the Qur'an makes another statement about the speed of </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Allah's creation: 2:117: "The Originator of the heavens and the </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: "Be!" And it </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">is."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Does this aya not say that God creates instantaneous? Does this </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">really leave room for billions of years of development? Six days are </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">still pretty quick and acceptable in the range of "Be! And it is". </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">However, 15 billion years for the expansion of the solar system does </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">seem a bit slow for instantaneous as does 3 billion years for </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">evolution. As one commentator puts it, "And he said to Adam: "Be! And </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">as evolution went its way, after about 3 billion years, Adam emerged."</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">(This piece was put together by Dr Kanwar Singh, USA from various web sites. TMy thanks go to him for a good piece of information gathering.)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Gyani jarnail Singh</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 49625, member: 189"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Compare What Science is in Gurbani of SGGS..and then have alook at the state of "Science" in the Koran. Readers can judge for themsleves which religious teaching is "really DIVINE"...and which is man made !![/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The first thing to note is that Islam arose in seventh century Arabia, a part of the world that had been influenced by the civilisations of ancient Greece, Rome and Egypt. Therefore, before we can say that something is a new scientific prediction in the Qur'an we must be sure that it was not a commonplace among these previous civilisations. However, some Muslims today like to say that the claims of scientific accuracy in the Qur'an prove its divine origin. For instance, they refer to the idea that the universe originated from a gaseous material. (Qur'an 41:11). However, the idea that the universe began as some sort of gaseous vortex was ubiquitous throughout Persian and Greek ideology. That the Qur'an says the same thing is thus not at all surprising. Some Greek philosophers identified a lot of scientific details correctly, but this does not make them supernaturally prescient, nor does it do so for the Qur'an. Moreover, its prediction is not testable. The Qur'an fails to say anything about specific gasses, or that there was more than one (helium and hydrogen), or anything scientifically specific at all, like why or how the universe originated or evolved, no mention of scientific-mathematical laws or relationships or physical constants. It thus makes no scientific statement at all. It says something hopelessly vague and unoriginal for its time. Thus, any future scientific finding could be retrofitted to suit what it says. It is thus scientifically useless, and would be even if it were true. Furthermore, our scientific understanding is that the universe did not begin as a gas. If current Big Bang science is correct, the universe began before any matter of any kind existed - it began as pure energy. It took several moments for any matter to form, and then it was a plasma, not a gas. Gases only came later, after the plasma cooled, and yet gasses were still not the only constituent--much of the mass-energy at even that point, as before, was comprised of electromagnetic radiation - light. The fact that the Qur'an fails to mention any of this or any other crucial scientific information is precisely why its claim to "scientific accuracy" is to be dismissed. It is making vague metaphysical statements, and that is not science. To understand how vague the claim is we need to understand that the passage in question actually does not say "gaseous material." The Arabic word used is dukhan, "smoke." This is claimed to be a "perfect analogy" for gas and particles in suspension, and the gasses being hot. Is it? Not really. Smoke is made of ash, predominantly carbon, and is produced from burning (oxidation), not plasma condensation. Smoke looks nothing like heated hydrogen or helium, does not share its elemental mass or other properties, and does not even possess many of the general properties of a gas. Thus, it is the wrong word. Arabic could not lack the vocabulary to simply say "hot air" or "hot gases expanding in an empty space" or anything even remotely relevant to the truth. If you can change the meaning of a word at will, and convert a word for "carbon-based ash" into "two basic gases," then you can change the meaning of any word in any book to prove any theory you want. Far from being scientific, that is the very antithesis of science. Finally, the very passage in question is neatly quoted out of context, disguising the fact that the whole section actually clearly and flatly contradicts known science. [41:9] Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Do you verily disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two Days and you set up rivals (in worship) with Him? That is the Lord of the Alam" (mankind, jinns and all that exists). [41:10] He placed therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains from above it, and He blessed it, and measured therein its sustenance (for its dwellers) in four Days equal (i.e. all these four 'days' were equal in the length of time), for all those who ask (about its creation). [41:11] Then He istaw (rose over) towards the heaven when it was smoke, and said to it and to the earth: "Come both of you willingly or unwillingly." They both said: "We come, willingly." [41:12] Then He completed seven heavens in two Days and He made in each heaven its affair. And We adorned the nearest (lowest) heaven with lamps (stars) to be an adornment as well as to guard (from the devils by using them as missiles against the devils). Such is the Decree of Him the All-Mighty, the All-Knower.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The Qur'an repeats often that Allah created everything in six days (e.g. 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, 25:59, 50:38, 57:4), just as the Old Testament says. However, if we add up the days here we seem to have 8 days – 2 for making the earth, 4 for filling it, and 2 for creating the Heavens. One solution is to link together verses 9 and 10 so that the 4 days in verse 10 are an extension of the 2 days mentioned in verse 9. That the earth is finished before God turns to the creation of the heaven is confirmed in Sura 2:29 which says, "He it is Who hath created for you all that is on earth. Then He turned to the heaven, and made them into seven heavens." (In contradiction, Sura 79:27-30 seems to claim that the Heavens were made before the Earth, which appears more consistent with modern science but then makes a mockery of the claim that Sura 41 is scientific when it is being contradicted from within the Qur'an.) "Then He turned to the heaven, which was only smoke at that time. He said to the heaven and the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." -- Sura 41:11. This scenario also has its scientific problems as it claims that the Earth was created and completed before the Heavens (stars, planets) made from "smoke." This is a problem because the elements of which planets are made did not exist until the gases condensed into stars, and the stars exploded and recondensed over several cycles, generating the heavy elements that eventually condensed into planets around new stars. Moreover, few astronomers would agree with the idea that the stars were created to be thrown as missiles against devils. If devils originate from Satan's refusal to bow before clay-made man, then they cannot be more than three million years old, yet the stars we see today may be billions of years older than the Earth. Moreover, verse 41:12 repeats a popular superstition found throughout the Greco-Persian world of the day: the myth of the seven heavens. This was an inherent component of almost every pagan religion, and also of Judaism and Christianity, and a clear marker of cultural borrowing, with no practical scientific meaning. Thus, we clearly see the Qur'an in error here, and we can easily account for this error in natural, human terms. There is nothing more to be said. Indeed, the "seven heavens" motif is a false count of the solar bodies, and even implies geocentrism, since "the seven heavens" are traditionally delineated by the seven "planets," i.e. the sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. No one yet knew of Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto, much less the asteroid belt. Nor did anyone yet know that the moon is the only body that actually orbits the earth, and that the sun does not orbit at all, and thus neither should be classified with the other planets.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]With the exception of the Ancient Greek philosophers ancient people believed that the Earth was flat. Aristarchus of Samos had shown that the Earth went around the Sun and Eratosthenes of Cyrene had measured the diameter of the Earth. The Qur'an does not support the views of these philosophers but promotes the popular thought of the time. Here I quote some of the verses from the Quran so that we can form the concept of the movement of the Sun: "And the Sun runs on its fixed course for a term" [Ya-Sin(36:38)]. Moreover, "And He has subjected the Sun and the moon. Each running for an appointed term. Verily, He is the All-Mighty" [Az-Zumar (39:5)]. Also, "He has subjected the Sun and the moon (to continue going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed" [Ar-Ra'd (13:2)]. Furthermore, "And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the Sun and the moon, each in an orbit running" [Al-Anbiya(21:33)]. Finally, "Allah merges the night into the day, and merges the day into the night, and has subjected the Sun and the moon, each running its course for a term appointed; and that Allah is aware of what you do" [Luqman(31:29)]. Now, I quote the following verses which clearly state that according to the Qur'an the Earth is fixed. "And among His Signs is that the sky and the Earth stand by His Command" [ Ar-Rum(30:25)]. Moreover, "Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the Earth lest they move away from their places" [ Fatir (35:41)]. Also, "Is not He Who has made the Earth as a fixed abode" [An-Naml (27:61)]. Furthermore, "He has created the heavens without any pillars, that you see and has set on the Earth firm mountains, lest it should shake with you" [Luqman (31:10)]. Again, "It is god who has made for you the Earth as a resting place and sky as a canopy" [Al-Baqara (02:22)]. Also, "And He has affixed into the Earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you" [An-Nahl (16:15)]. The mountains are a kind of peg to settle down the Earth. However, modern seismology tells us that the mountains are the result of energy flows and fluxes within the Earth. Ancient people were concerned about what the Sun did at night. The Qur'an says that one of the righteous men of God's servants saw the Sun setting in a certain place of the Earth-in a particular a well full of water and mud. There, this man found some people. Let us read what is recorded in the Qur'an (chapter "the Cave", verse 86): "When he reached the setting place of the Sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring and found a people thereabout. We said: 'O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness" [Al-Kahf (18:86)]. A hadith (collection of stories relating to the life of the Prophet) tells us: "The Prophet asked me at Sunset, "Do you know where the Sun goes (at the time of Sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the Sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing."[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]In Arabic `ard' means the earth and `falak' is rotation. There is nowhere in the Qur'an where these words follow one after another. However, this view is not only found in the Qur'an. "The Earth is permanently established. It will not move" [PSLAMS-93/1,96/10 and 104/5]. Moreover, the Hindu scriptures also observed, ""Sabita made this Earth fixed by different devices (like hills and mountains) and sustains sky without pillars so that it does not move" and "The sky is immovable, the Earth is immovable and these mountains are also immovable" [RIK VEDA 10-173-4]. People of the ancient world did not have proper scientific knowledge, they had numerous wrong concepts about our solar system. They erroneously believed that the Earth is fixed and is the center of the universe, while the Sun, moon and the planets move around the Earth. Their fallacious reasoning made them conclude that the sky is a canopy of the Earth and can sustain itself without pillars by the grace of God (see the verses that I quoted above) and the firm mountains have been created by God to prevent the Earth from shaking - beliefs which are not true. So the ancient books like the Quran, the Bible, the Gita, the Mahabharat and the Vedas which are written by ancient people are not free from scientific misconceptions, flaws and contradictions[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]We find in the Qur'an 7:54: "Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six days." Some Muslims have claimed that the word for day does not only mean day, but can mean `period', or even `eon', which means that it can be interpreted in line with the vast time scales of modern astronomy. However, it is scientifically useless as it does not give any precise period for a day and, therefore, cannot give rise to any prediction. It does also doubtful since the most admired and `rightly guided' commentators of the early centuries of Islam took the creation days to be literal 24 hours week days. Yet the Qur'an makes another statement about the speed of Allah's creation: 2:117: "The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: "Be!" And it is." Does this aya not say that God creates instantaneous? Does this really leave room for billions of years of development? Six days are still pretty quick and acceptable in the range of "Be! And it is". However, 15 billion years for the expansion of the solar system does seem a bit slow for instantaneous as does 3 billion years for evolution. As one commentator puts it, "And he said to Adam: "Be! And as evolution went its way, after about 3 billion years, Adam emerged."[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3](This piece was put together by Dr Kanwar Singh, USA from various web sites. TMy thanks go to him for a good piece of information gathering.)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Gyani jarnail Singh [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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