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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 151458" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Gyani ji</p><p></p><p>The dancing referred to in the above shabad seems to me a positive thing, like the singing in So Dar. I have seen some of the references where dancing is negative as in monkey-mind and useless dancing about in Maya, however the above shabad doesn't indicate that to me unless I am misunderstanding.</p><p></p><p>There is this line about Maya:</p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank">ਮਾਇਆ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank">ਕੈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਅਰਥਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਬਹੁਤੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%95" target="_blank">ਲੋਕ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%87" target="_blank">ਨਾਚੇ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਕੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank">ਵਿਰਲਾ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤਤੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਬੀਚਾਰੀ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Mā▫i▫ā kai arath bahuṯ lok nācẖe ko virlā ṯaṯ bīcẖārī.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">So many people dance for the sake of Maya; how rare are those who contemplate reality.</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">But then there is also this:</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #800000"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B" target="_blank">ਜੋ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਤੁਧੁ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਭਾਵਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%88" target="_blank">ਸੇਈ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਨਾਚਹਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank">ਜਿਨ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸਬਦਿ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5" target="_blank">ਲਿਵ </a> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank">ਲਾਏ </a> ॥</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Jo ṯuḏẖ bẖāvėh se▫ī nācẖėh jin gurmukẖ sabaḏ liv lā▫e.</span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span> <span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #000080">They alone dance, who are pleasing to You, and who, as Gurmukhs, embrace love for the Word of the Shabad.</span></span></span> <span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p>And my comment about an akhand dancing jatha and sufis was tounge-in-cheek. :grinningkaur: I appreciate the reference to dancing is metaphorical and not literal, like the singing in So Dar... or maybe not, ie. akhand kirtani jatha.</p><p></p><p>I am perhaps not understanding this shabad in the proper context, but it stood out to me that dancing was being used at the expression similar to how singing is in So Dar.</p><p></p><p>The mann is going to dance regardless, so make sure it dances in Hukam? I dunno...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 151458, member: 2709"] Gyani ji The dancing referred to in the above shabad seems to me a positive thing, like the singing in So Dar. I have seen some of the references where dancing is negative as in monkey-mind and useless dancing about in Maya, however the above shabad doesn't indicate that to me unless I am misunderstanding. There is this line about Maya: [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"]ਮਾਇਆ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88"]ਕੈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF"]ਅਰਥਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"]ਬਹੁਤੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%95"]ਲੋਕ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9A%E0%A9%87"]ਨਾਚੇ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%8B"]ਕੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE"]ਵਿਰਲਾ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81"]ਤਤੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%80"]ਬੀਚਾਰੀ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Mā▫i▫ā kai arath bahuṯ lok nācẖe ko virlā ṯaṯ bīcẖārī.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]So many people dance for the sake of Maya; how rare are those who contemplate reality.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] But then there is also this: [/SIZE][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=2][COLOR=#800000][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B"]ਜੋ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A7%E0%A9%81"]ਤੁਧੁ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਭਾਵਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%88"]ਸੇਈ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"]ਨਾਚਹਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8"]ਜਿਨ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF"]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF"]ਸਬਦਿ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5"]ਲਿਵ [/URL] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%8F"]ਲਾਏ [/URL] ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2]Jo ṯuḏẖ bẖāvėh se▫ī nācẖėh jin gurmukẖ sabaḏ liv lā▫e.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000080]They alone dance, who are pleasing to You, and who, as Gurmukhs, embrace love for the Word of the Shabad.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2] [/SIZE] And my comment about an akhand dancing jatha and sufis was tounge-in-cheek. :grinningkaur: I appreciate the reference to dancing is metaphorical and not literal, like the singing in So Dar... or maybe not, ie. akhand kirtani jatha. I am perhaps not understanding this shabad in the proper context, but it stood out to me that dancing was being used at the expression similar to how singing is in So Dar. The mann is going to dance regardless, so make sure it dances in Hukam? I dunno... [/QUOTE]
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