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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 90121" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Bhagat Singh Ji</strong></p><p> <strong>Let me first tell that you are entitled to your opinion and do what you feel is right. I hope my following commentary will not hit your ego, if it did, I would ask for your forgiveness.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>You think bowing to idols is showing respect, it is not worship, am I right?</strong></p><p> <strong>Alright, if you want to show respect to the idols that is fine, you have the right to do that but from where you have learnt it as a Sikh? Is it just based on your own assumptions or you are guided by SGGS Ji? As you ask follow members to back up their claim of not to bow before any one but Guru and the Lord, please back up your claim.</strong></p><p> <strong>As per Guru Ji, only those people worship idols who are extremely ignorant as per quote by First Nanak, please explain me why would you bow to a thing you do not believe in a bit and you know it is an act of ignorance? When Guru ji says” that pond is dirty because there is dirt in it”, Will you still go into dirty pond by saying that Guru ji didn’t say “do not get into the pond?” Is it to please others? Or is it to show respect to the Idol or the worshiper of the Idol?</strong></p><p> <strong>Both ways, you show that either you have no inkling what Guru says about Idols (not only about worshiping them as you have been repeatedly saying) or it is very easy thing for you to show hypocrisy (bowing to a thing you do not believe in). You, in your mind, know it is a stone, and then your bowing occurs, what kind of sincerity you display?</strong></p><p> <strong>You are comparing bowing to elders and saying it is just the same. You are dead wrong. Idols are stones, elders are human beings and you show them that you respect them and they accept or compliment your nice behavior, what the stone does in this context?</strong></p><p> <strong> If you bow to a stone-worshiper in respect, it makes sense though.</strong></p><p> <strong>Bowing to structures, buildings and Idols is the same, I agree with you.</strong></p><p> <strong>Bowing to Sree Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not like bowing to elders or Idols. Why? Because we show respect to the knowledge of the Guru we get from SGGS Ji, if that knowledge is not taken and practiced, that bowing becomes an act of hypocrisy as well because relationship of Guru and followers is not limited to bowing but to have knowledge to progress spiritually; in fact, without showing respect, learning doesn’t take place.</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Did ever Guru Nanak bow to Idols? Here is the proof that he didn’t (as he didn’t believe in the practice of hypocrisy. Guru Nanak took a stand with rationality and he did nothing for the sake of pleasing others as for him it is the Lord who is important not the people)</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਉ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਜੂਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੂਜੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਿਵੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਿਸੁ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong><strong><u><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%80" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਰਵਾਣੀ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਹਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਲੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9B" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੁਛ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਿਸੁ</span> </a></span></span></u></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛੁਟੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਾ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੋਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AC" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਹਿਬ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਦਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸੁ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Jā ka▫o mahal hajūr ḏūje nivai kis.</span> </strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Ḏar ḏarvāṇī nāhi mūle pucẖẖ ṯis.</span> </strong><strong><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Cẖẖutai ṯā kai bol sāhib naḏar jis. ||3||</span> </strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">He, who lives close to his Lord's mansion; why should he bow to another?</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The porter at the Lord's gate, asks him absolutely no question.</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">One is redeemed at the bidding of him on whom is the Lord's grace.</span></span> </strong></p><p> <strong>In essence: The one whose mind is set on the Lord and sees Him present, why he should bow to another. At Lord’s court he is not questioned (<u>about this not bowing</u>) at all because with Guru’s bachan he is redeemed as per grace of the Lord</strong></p><p> <strong>Last but not least, you are a Sikh, we are no one to judge you otherwise.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 90121, member: 5889"] [B]Bhagat Singh Ji[/B] [B]Let me first tell that you are entitled to your opinion and do what you feel is right. I hope my following commentary will not hit your ego, if it did, I would ask for your forgiveness.[/B] [B]You think bowing to idols is showing respect, it is not worship, am I right?[/B] [B]Alright, if you want to show respect to the idols that is fine, you have the right to do that but from where you have learnt it as a Sikh? Is it just based on your own assumptions or you are guided by SGGS Ji? As you ask follow members to back up their claim of not to bow before any one but Guru and the Lord, please back up your claim.[/B] [B]As per Guru Ji, only those people worship idols who are extremely ignorant as per quote by First Nanak, please explain me why would you bow to a thing you do not believe in a bit and you know it is an act of ignorance? When Guru ji says” that pond is dirty because there is dirt in it”, Will you still go into dirty pond by saying that Guru ji didn’t say “do not get into the pond?” Is it to please others? Or is it to show respect to the Idol or the worshiper of the Idol?[/B] [B]Both ways, you show that either you have no inkling what Guru says about Idols (not only about worshiping them as you have been repeatedly saying) or it is very easy thing for you to show hypocrisy (bowing to a thing you do not believe in). You, in your mind, know it is a stone, and then your bowing occurs, what kind of sincerity you display?[/B] [B]You are comparing bowing to elders and saying it is just the same. You are dead wrong. Idols are stones, elders are human beings and you show them that you respect them and they accept or compliment your nice behavior, what the stone does in this context?[/B] [B] If you bow to a stone-worshiper in respect, it makes sense though.[/B] [B]Bowing to structures, buildings and Idols is the same, I agree with you.[/B] [B]Bowing to Sree Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not like bowing to elders or Idols. Why? Because we show respect to the knowledge of the Guru we get from SGGS Ji, if that knowledge is not taken and practiced, that bowing becomes an act of hypocrisy as well because relationship of Guru and followers is not limited to bowing but to have knowledge to progress spiritually; in fact, without showing respect, learning doesn’t take place.[/B] [B]Did ever Guru Nanak bow to Idols? Here is the proof that he didn’t (as he didn’t believe in the practice of hypocrisy. Guru Nanak took a stand with rationality and he did nothing for the sake of pleasing others as for him it is the Lord who is important not the people)[/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਉ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਜੂਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਦੂਜੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਿਵੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਿਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][U][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਦਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%80"][FONT=Raavi]ਦਰਵਾਣੀ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਹਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%82%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਲੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9B"][FONT=Raavi]ਪੁਛ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਤਿਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9B%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9F%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਛੁਟੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BE"][FONT=Raavi]ਤਾ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਬੋਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AC"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਹਿਬ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਦਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੩[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [B][FONT=Tahoma]Jā ka▫o mahal hajūr ḏūje nivai kis.[/FONT] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Ḏar ḏarvāṇī nāhi mūle pucẖẖ ṯis.[/FONT] [/B][B][FONT=Tahoma]Cẖẖutai ṯā kai bol sāhib naḏar jis. ||3||[/FONT] [/B] [B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]He, who lives close to his Lord's mansion; why should he bow to another?[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]The porter at the Lord's gate, asks him absolutely no question.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]One is redeemed at the bidding of him on whom is the Lord's grace.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [B]In essence: The one whose mind is set on the Lord and sees Him present, why he should bow to another. At Lord’s court he is not questioned ([U]about this not bowing[/U]) at all because with Guru’s bachan he is redeemed as per grace of the Lord[/B] [B]Last but not least, you are a Sikh, we are no one to judge you otherwise.:)[/B] [/QUOTE]
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