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Pahre (74-78)
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Gurbani (94-109)
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Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
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Chhant (435-462)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
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Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member15" data-source="post: 162063" data-attributes="member: 17438"><p>My dear brother Searching kaurhug</p><p> </p><p>Thank you for the translation! </p><p> </p><p>Jesus said, "<em>Freely you received, freely give...without wanting anything in return</em>". To provide people with health care, food, clothing and education simply to convert them to your faith, is not only intolerant, it is not loving. One should care about all people and serve the needs of all human beings irrespective of their faith, gender, social class/caste or ethnicity. Love is all-encompassing, it asks for nothing in return, except the joy of helping another human life. </p><p> </p><p>Head count is not what's important. What's important is free-willed embracing of the truth that one has freely discovered and freely attained. If someone converts simply for material goods like bread and water, clothing, health care or education then he is not a true believer in the gospel for he has been bribed and thus compelled, meaning that his adherence to the faith is only surface-deep. Such conversion would be as bad for Christianity as it would be for Sikhism. </p><p> </p><p>The popes made this pretty clear in bulls from many, many centuries ago (which were binding in Church Canon Law):</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...<span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">We decree moreover that no Christian shall compel them [non-Christians] or any one of their group to come to baptism unwillingly. But if any one of them shall take refuge <strong>of his own accord with Christians, because of conviction</strong>, then, after his intention will have been manifest, he shall be made a Christian without any intrigue. For, indeed, that person who is known to have come to Christian baptism not freely, but unwillingly, is not believed to posses the Christian faith..."</span> </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>- </em></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Blessed Pope Gregory X, 1272 </em></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The Early Fathers of the Church wrote: </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"It is a fundamental human right, a privilege of nature, that every man should worship according to his own convictions. One man’s religion neither harms nor helps another man. It is not the nature of religion to compel religion. Religion ought to be adopted voluntarily and not by force"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><em>- Tertullian (160 – c. 225) Church Father, Ad Scapulam 2</em></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">"Religion being a matter of the will, it cannot be forced on anyone. In this matter it is better to employ words than blows...Religion is the one field in which freedom has pitched her tent, for religion is, first and foremost, a matter of free will, and no man can be forced under compulsion to adore what he has no will to adore...Of what use is cruelty? What has the rack to do with piety?... For nothing is so intrinsically a matter of free will as religion"</span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><em>- Lactantius (240 – ca. 320), Church Father, Divine Institutes</em> </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">What kind of Christians are these missionaries who are luring Sikhs from their faith? </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">I believe that Blessed Mother Teresa spoke the truth when she said: </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">"...There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers...I believe that God has created each soul, that that soul belongs to God, and that each soul has to find God in its own lifetime and enter into his life. That is what is important. All of us need to seek God and find Him...Religion is not something that you and I can dictate. Religion is the worship of God, and therefore it is a matter of conscience. Each one of us must decide how we are going to worship. In my case, the religion that I live and practice is Roman Catholicism. It is my life, my joy, and the greatest proof of God’s love for me. I cannot force anyone to accept my religion---just as no man, no law, and no government can legally demand that anyone reject a religion that promises them peace, joy, and love. I love all religions... If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there. They come closer to God...Our purpose is to take God and His love to the poorest of the poor, irrespective of their ethnic origin or the faith they profess. Our discernment of aid is not the belief but the necessity. In our work we bear witness to the love of God’s presence and if Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists or agnostics become for this reason better men---simply better---we will be satisfied..."</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>- Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta (1910 – 1997)</em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">Much love kaurhug</span></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member15, post: 162063, member: 17438"] My dear brother Searching kaurhug Thank you for the translation! Jesus said, "[I]Freely you received, freely give...without wanting anything in return[/I]". To provide people with health care, food, clothing and education simply to convert them to your faith, is not only intolerant, it is not loving. One should care about all people and serve the needs of all human beings irrespective of their faith, gender, social class/caste or ethnicity. Love is all-encompassing, it asks for nothing in return, except the joy of helping another human life. Head count is not what's important. What's important is free-willed embracing of the truth that one has freely discovered and freely attained. If someone converts simply for material goods like bread and water, clothing, health care or education then he is not a true believer in the gospel for he has been bribed and thus compelled, meaning that his adherence to the faith is only surface-deep. Such conversion would be as bad for Christianity as it would be for Sikhism. The popes made this pretty clear in bulls from many, many centuries ago (which were binding in Church Canon Law): [SIZE=3]"...[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]We decree moreover that no Christian shall compel them [non-Christians] or any one of their group to come to baptism unwillingly. But if any one of them shall take refuge [B]of his own accord with Christians, because of conviction[/B], then, after his intention will have been manifest, he shall be made a Christian without any intrigue. For, indeed, that person who is known to have come to Christian baptism not freely, but unwillingly, is not believed to posses the Christian faith..."[/SIZE] [/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][I]- [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3][I]Blessed Pope Gregory X, 1272 [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [SIZE=3]The Early Fathers of the Church wrote: [/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]"It is a fundamental human right, a privilege of nature, that every man should worship according to his own convictions. One man’s religion neither harms nor helps another man. It is not the nature of religion to compel religion. Religion ought to be adopted voluntarily and not by force"[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][I]- Tertullian (160 – c. 225) Church Father, Ad Scapulam 2[/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]"Religion being a matter of the will, it cannot be forced on anyone. In this matter it is better to employ words than blows...Religion is the one field in which freedom has pitched her tent, for religion is, first and foremost, a matter of free will, and no man can be forced under compulsion to adore what he has no will to adore...Of what use is cruelty? What has the rack to do with piety?... For nothing is so intrinsically a matter of free will as religion"[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][I]- Lactantius (240 – ca. 320), Church Father, Divine Institutes[/I] [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri]What kind of Christians are these missionaries who are luring Sikhs from their faith? [/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri]I believe that Blessed Mother Teresa spoke the truth when she said: [/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]"...There is only one God and He is God to all; therefore it is important that everyone is seen as equal before God. I’ve always said we should help a Hindu become a better Hindu, a Muslim become a better Muslim, a Catholic become a better Catholic. We believe our work should be our example to people. We have among us 475 souls - 30 families are Catholics and the rest are all Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs—all different religions. But they all come to our prayers...I believe that God has created each soul, that that soul belongs to God, and that each soul has to find God in its own lifetime and enter into his life. That is what is important. All of us need to seek God and find Him...Religion is not something that you and I can dictate. Religion is the worship of God, and therefore it is a matter of conscience. Each one of us must decide how we are going to worship. In my case, the religion that I live and practice is Roman Catholicism. It is my life, my joy, and the greatest proof of God’s love for me. I cannot force anyone to accept my religion---just as no man, no law, and no government can legally demand that anyone reject a religion that promises them peace, joy, and love. I love all religions... If people become better Hindus, better Muslims, better Buddhists by our acts of love, then there is something else growing there. They come closer to God...Our purpose is to take God and His love to the poorest of the poor, irrespective of their ethnic origin or the faith they profess. Our discernment of aid is not the belief but the necessity. In our work we bear witness to the love of God’s presence and if Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists or agnostics become for this reason better men---simply better---we will be satisfied..."[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT] [SIZE=3][I]- Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta (1910 – 1997)[/I][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3]Much love kaurhug[/SIZE][/I] [/QUOTE]
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