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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 84666" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>All jio,</strong></p><p> <strong> kindly note down the distortion of Gurbani in context of Caste System which was bluntly rejected by Guru Sahiban, I am giving examples of distorted translation and the actual Guru Message( SGGS). Kindly judge yourself how any one can undermine what Guru preached through out their lives. </strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>Here is distorted translation</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਰਨਾ</span></span></strong> <span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਰਨ ਨ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਜੇ ਕਿਸੈ ਵਡਾ ਕਰੇਇ </span></span><span style="color: teal"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: teal"> </span></p><p><span style="color: teal"><strong>varanaa</strong> varan n bhaavanee jae kisai vaddaa karaee ||</span></p><p><span style="color: teal">One<strong> class</strong> of people does not like the other, when one has been made great.</span></p><p><span style="color: teal">~SGGS Ji p. 53</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">THE REAL MESSAGE</span></strong></p><p> Varaanaa varan= upper and low classes, n bhaavaanee= don’t like, je= if, kissai= some one, vaddaa kreae= If He makes high/great</p><p> <strong>Means, no one can say if He likes low or high caste (Because, answer is in following Vaak which is omitted)</strong></p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਡੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਥਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਡਿਆਈਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਵੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੈ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੇਇ</span> </a></span></span></p><p> Vadde= Lord, Hathh= in hands, Vaddeeaeea= greatness/reward of honor, jai bhavai= as it pleases HIM, tai= that way, dae= gives</p><p> <strong>All is in Lords to be given honor/greatness is in Lords’ hand, as it please He gives</strong>.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>ALL SANGAT JEE PLEASE TELL ME HOW DOES THIS TUK SUPPORT CASTE SYSTEM?</strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <strong>Now lets see if the following Tuk supports caste system</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p> <span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਤਿਤ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤਿ</span></span></strong> <span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਤਮੁ ਭਇਆ ਚਾਰਿ ਵਰਨ ਪਏ ਪਗਿ ਆਇ </span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: purple"> </span></p><p><span style="color: purple">pathith <strong>jaath</strong> outham bhaeiaa chaar varan peae pag aae ||2||</span></p><p><span style="color: purple">Although he was of low <strong>social status</strong>, he was exalted and elevated, and people of all four castes came and bowed at his feet. ||2||</span></p><p><span style="color: purple">~SGGS Ji p. 733</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Lets analyze actually what Guru ji is saying, here is the complete Guru Vaak Mehl-4)</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਵਿਦਾਸੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਮਾਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਸਤਤਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰੇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਰਤਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%96" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਿਮਖ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਕ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਾਇ</span> </a></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> <span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਤਿਤ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਤਮੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਇਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਾਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਰਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%8F" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਏ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਗਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਇ</span> </a></span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span></span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </p><p> Chamaar= tanner, ustit= praise, Har kirt= Lord’s praise, namikh= every moment, gae= sing, Patit= low class, uttam bhaeea= became sublime, chaar varan= ( people of) all four castes , pagg= feet, pae aae= came and fell at</p><p> <strong>Ravidas, the tanner praised Lord every moment.( By doing so), even though he belonged to low class, he became sublime and all people of four castes fell at his feet.</strong></p><p><strong>How this Tuk quoted in support of Caste System, does support Caste system? Contrary to that wrong notion it says, it is not caste which is important but" Nam simran"</strong></p><p></p><p> <strong>( </strong><strong>Sources Dr</strong><strong> Veer Singh ji, Bhai Kahan Singfh Ji, Freedkot wala Teeka of course as I see too)</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 84666, member: 5889"] [B]All jio,[/B] [B] kindly note down the distortion of Gurbani in context of Caste System which was bluntly rejected by Guru Sahiban, I am giving examples of distorted translation and the actual Guru Message( SGGS). Kindly judge yourself how any one can undermine what Guru preached through out their lives. [/B] [B]Here is distorted translation[/B] [B][COLOR=teal][FONT=Raavi]ਵਰਨਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=teal] [/COLOR][COLOR=teal][FONT=Raavi]ਵਰਨ ਨ ਭਾਵਨੀ ਜੇ ਕਿਸੈ ਵਡਾ ਕਰੇਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=teal][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=teal] [B]varanaa[/B] varan n bhaavanee jae kisai vaddaa karaee || One[B] class[/B] of people does not like the other, when one has been made great. ~SGGS Ji p. 53[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]THE REAL MESSAGE[/COLOR][/B] Varaanaa varan= upper and low classes, n bhaavaanee= don’t like, je= if, kissai= some one, vaddaa kreae= If He makes high/great [B]Means, no one can say if He likes low or high caste (Because, answer is in following Vaak which is omitted)[/B] [COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਡੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%A5%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਥਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A1%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%88%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਡਿਆਈਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਵੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%88"][FONT=Raavi]ਤੈ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਦੇਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] Vadde= Lord, Hathh= in hands, Vaddeeaeea= greatness/reward of honor, jai bhavai= as it pleases HIM, tai= that way, dae= gives [B]All is in Lords to be given honor/greatness is in Lords’ hand, as it please He gives[/B]. [B]ALL SANGAT JEE PLEASE TELL ME HOW DOES THIS TUK SUPPORT CASTE SYSTEM?[/B] [B]Now lets see if the following Tuk supports caste system [/B] [COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਪਤਿਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਉਤਮੁ ਭਇਆ ਚਾਰਿ ਵਰਨ ਪਏ ਪਗਿ ਆਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple] pathith [B]jaath[/B] outham bhaeiaa chaar varan peae pag aae ||2|| Although he was of low [B]social status[/B], he was exalted and elevated, and people of all four castes came and bowed at his feet. ||2|| ~SGGS Ji p. 733[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Lets analyze actually what Guru ji is saying, here is the complete Guru Vaak Mehl-4)[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਵਿਦਾਸੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਮਾਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਸਤਤਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰੇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਰਤਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%96"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਿਮਖ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%95"][FONT=Raavi]ਇਕ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਗਾਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A4"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਤਿਤ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%89%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਉਤਮੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%87%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਭਇਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਚਾਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਰਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%8F"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਏ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਪਗਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਆਇ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] Chamaar= tanner, ustit= praise, Har kirt= Lord’s praise, namikh= every moment, gae= sing, Patit= low class, uttam bhaeea= became sublime, chaar varan= ( people of) all four castes , pagg= feet, pae aae= came and fell at [B]Ravidas, the tanner praised Lord every moment.( By doing so), even though he belonged to low class, he became sublime and all people of four castes fell at his feet.[/B] [B]How this Tuk quoted in support of Caste System, does support Caste system? Contrary to that wrong notion it says, it is not caste which is important but" Nam simran"[/B] [B]( [/B][B]Sources Dr[/B][B] Veer Singh ji, Bhai Kahan Singfh Ji, Freedkot wala Teeka of course as I see too)[/B] [/QUOTE]
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