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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 84590" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Sikhism - Christianity - big differences !!</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And if we are to question the Tilak on Guru Ramdas Ji as being for Hindu religious purposes, as He was being installed as King and Guru, but also what God did He worship?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">sundhar kunddal mukatt bain ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ</strong> ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>sankh chakr gadhaa</strong> hai dhhaaree mehaa saarathhee sathasangaa ||10||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">He carries the<strong> conch, the chakra and the war club;</strong> He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">peeth peethanbar thribhavan dhhanee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed"><strong>jagannaathh gopaal</strong> mukh bhanee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkRed">~SGGS Ji p. 1082</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"><strong>ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ </strong>ਪਦਮ ਆਪਿ ਆਪੁ ਕੀਓ ਛਦਮ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਖੈ ਕਉਨੁ ਤਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"><strong>sankh chakr gadhaa</strong> padham aap aap keeou shhadham aparanpar paarabreham lakhai koun thaahi jeeo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">You are the Infinite Supreme Lord God; <strong>with your conch, chakr, war club</strong> (altered to say: symbols of power), You deceived Baliraja; who can know You?</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">~SGGS Ji p. 1402</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>So who is this God with the wheel (chakr), mace and conch who is clearly described and refered to in Gurbani as Parabrahm (nirgun Supreme), and <strong>Jaggannath Gopal?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Govinda and Gopāla are names of Krishna, referring to his youthful occupation as a cowherd.</p><p></p><p>Both names translate to "cowherd". Sanskrit go means "cow"; pāla and vinda form tatpurusha compounds, literally translating to "finder of cows" and "protector of cows", respectively.</p><p></p><p>The story of how Krishna was given the name Govinda is described in detail in the Vishnu Purana. After lifting Govardhan hill to protect the villagers and cows of Vrindavan, the lord of devas Indra awarded him the title.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">niraahaaree niravair samaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ <strong>ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜ</strong>ੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">dhhaar khael <strong>chathurabhuj</strong> kehaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">He has staged His play; He is called the <strong>four-armed Lord.</strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">saaval sundhar roop banaavehi baen sunath sabh mohaigaa ||9||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 1082</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="http://www.camdenmarkets.org/images/vishnu.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> <img src="http://www.markville.ss.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/projects/classof2008/chong2/sehravat/lord_krishna.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>Vishnu and Gopala Krishna</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Navy"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ ਦਰਸਨਿ ਰੂਪਿ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">hindhoo saalaahee saalaahan dharasan roop apaar ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Hindus praise the Praiseworthy Lord; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, His form is incomparable.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਵਹਿ ਅਰਚਾ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਗਰ ਵਾਸੁ ਬਹਕਾਰੁ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">theerathh naavehi arachaa poojaa agar vaas behakaar ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">They bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, making offerings of flowers, and burning incense before idols.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜੋਗੀ ਸੁੰਨਿ ਧਿਆਵਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਜੇਤੇ ਅਲਖ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jogee sunn dhhiaavanih jaethae alakh naam karathaar ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Yogis meditate on the absolute Lord there; they call the Creator the Unseen Lord.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 465</p><p></span></p><p></p><p>And while adressing corruptions of superficial, hypocritical and insincere religious worship, Gurbani also states:</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Purple"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਲੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਅਖੁਟੀ ਜਾਂਹੀ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">hindhoo moolae bhoolae akhuttee jaanhee ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਨਾਰਦਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਿ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਾਂਹੀ ॥ਅੰਧੇ ਗੁੰਗੇ ਅੰਧ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">naaradh kehiaa s pooj karaanhee || andhhae gungae andhh andhhaar ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols. They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਪਾਥਰੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">paathhar lae poojehi mugadhh gavaar ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਓਹਿ ਜਾ ਆਪਿ ਡੁਬੇ ਤੁਮ ਕਹਾ ਤਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ouhi jaa aap ddubae thum kehaa tharanehaar ||2||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across? ||2||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 556</p><p></span></p><p></p><p>On balance, while considering many Gurbani tuuks which talk about devi, devtas, and idol worship, it is clear Guruji's message did NOT reject deva, devti as is falsely claimed, nor did Guruji completely reject idols, as there is acceptance of those who praise the praiseworthy Lord, while rejection of those who only worship the superficial stones themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Green"><p style="margin-left: 20px">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading. </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥ </p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee ||</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.</p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">~SGGS Ji p. 2</p><p></span></p><p></p><p>Clearly Gurbani describes the Guru-God in terms of devi, devtas and also Vedas fully illustrating confidence the Indic Hindu structure of worship and salvation (means to attain the God).</p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 84590, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Sikhism - Christianity - big differences !![/b] And if we are to question the Tilak on Guru Ramdas Ji as being for Hindu religious purposes, as He was being installed as King and Guru, but also what God did He worship? [INDENT][COLOR="DarkRed"]ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥ sundhar kunddal mukatt bain || His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful. [B]ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ[/B] ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥ [B]sankh chakr gadhaa[/B] hai dhhaaree mehaa saarathhee sathasangaa ||10|| He carries the[B] conch, the chakra and the war club;[/B] He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10|| ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥ peeth peethanbar thribhavan dhhanee || The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds. ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥ [B]jagannaathh gopaal[/B] mukh bhanee || The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name. ~SGGS Ji p. 1082[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Green"][B]ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ [/B]ਪਦਮ ਆਪਿ ਆਪੁ ਕੀਓ ਛਦਮ ਅਪਰੰਪਰ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਲਖੈ ਕਉਨੁ ਤਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ [B]sankh chakr gadhaa[/B] padham aap aap keeou shhadham aparanpar paarabreham lakhai koun thaahi jeeo || You are the Infinite Supreme Lord God; [B]with your conch, chakr, war club[/B] (altered to say: symbols of power), You deceived Baliraja; who can know You? ~SGGS Ji p. 1402[/COLOR][/INDENT] So who is this God with the wheel (chakr), mace and conch who is clearly described and refered to in Gurbani as Parabrahm (nirgun Supreme), and [B]Jaggannath Gopal?[/B] Govinda and Gopāla are names of Krishna, referring to his youthful occupation as a cowherd. Both names translate to "cowherd". Sanskrit go means "cow"; pāla and vinda form tatpurusha compounds, literally translating to "finder of cows" and "protector of cows", respectively. The story of how Krishna was given the name Govinda is described in detail in the Vishnu Purana. After lifting Govardhan hill to protect the villagers and cows of Vrindavan, the lord of devas Indra awarded him the title. [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ niraahaaree niravair samaaeiaa || He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading. ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ [B]ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜ[/B]ੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥ dhhaar khael [B]chathurabhuj[/B] kehaaeiaa || He has staged His play; He is called the [B]four-armed Lord.[/B] ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥ saaval sundhar roop banaavehi baen sunath sabh mohaigaa ||9|| He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated. ~SGGS Ji p. 1082[/COLOR][/INDENT] [IMG]http://www.camdenmarkets.org/images/vishnu.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.markville.ss.yrdsb.edu.on.ca/projects/classof2008/chong2/sehravat/lord_krishna.jpg[/IMG] Vishnu and Gopala Krishna [COLOR="Navy"][indent]ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸਾਲਾਹੀ ਸਾਲਾਹਨਿ ਦਰਸਨਿ ਰੂਪਿ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ hindhoo saalaahee saalaahan dharasan roop apaar || The Hindus praise the Praiseworthy Lord; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, His form is incomparable. ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਵਹਿ ਅਰਚਾ ਪੂਜਾ ਅਗਰ ਵਾਸੁ ਬਹਕਾਰੁ ॥ theerathh naavehi arachaa poojaa agar vaas behakaar || They bathe at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, making offerings of flowers, and burning incense before idols. ਜੋਗੀ ਸੁੰਨਿ ਧਿਆਵਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਜੇਤੇ ਅਲਖ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ॥ jogee sunn dhhiaavanih jaethae alakh naam karathaar || The Yogis meditate on the absolute Lord there; they call the Creator the Unseen Lord. ~SGGS Ji p. 465[/indent][/COLOR] And while adressing corruptions of superficial, hypocritical and insincere religious worship, Gurbani also states: [COLOR="Purple"][indent]ਹਿੰਦੂ ਮੂਲੇ ਭੂਲੇ ਅਖੁਟੀ ਜਾਂਹੀ ॥ hindhoo moolae bhoolae akhuttee jaanhee || The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way. ਨਾਰਦਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਿ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਾਂਹੀ ॥ਅੰਧੇ ਗੁੰਗੇ ਅੰਧ ਅੰਧਾਰੁ ॥ naaradh kehiaa s pooj karaanhee || andhhae gungae andhh andhhaar || As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols. They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind. ਪਾਥਰੁ ਲੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਗਵਾਰ ॥ paathhar lae poojehi mugadhh gavaar || The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them. ਓਹਿ ਜਾ ਆਪਿ ਡੁਬੇ ਤੁਮ ਕਹਾ ਤਰਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥ ouhi jaa aap ddubae thum kehaa tharanehaar ||2|| But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across? ||2|| ~SGGS Ji p. 556[/indent][/COLOR] On balance, while considering many Gurbani tuuks which talk about devi, devtas, and idol worship, it is clear Guruji's message did NOT reject deva, devti as is falsely claimed, nor did Guruji completely reject idols, as there is acceptance of those who praise the praiseworthy Lord, while rejection of those who only worship the superficial stones themselves. [COLOR="Green"][indent]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee || The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading. ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥ gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee || The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi. ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥ jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee || Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words. ~SGGS Ji p. 2[/indent][/COLOR] Clearly Gurbani describes the Guru-God in terms of devi, devtas and also Vedas fully illustrating confidence the Indic Hindu structure of worship and salvation (means to attain the God). ~Bhul chak maaf [/QUOTE]
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