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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 182892" data-attributes="member: 138"><p><span style="color: Blue">Spiritual Singh ji,</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Guru Fateh</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: Blue">Your comments are in</span> <span style="color: Red">Red</span> <span style="color: Blue">and mine in Blue.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">Whats that?</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">It is the inner balance based on Gurbani tools.</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">Naam Jap to me is Naam Simran, whether through tounge or in mind.</span></p><p><span style="color: Red"></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">1. Can you please elaborate that? </span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">2. Can one use any words or only the subscribed ones?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">3. What is the modus operandi about this Naam Simran with tongue and mind?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">4. I need some Shabads from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to understand it better. Please post a Shabad with your own understanding regarding it in order for me to learn.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">5. Is it parroting?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">6. Is this practice in Hinduism and other religions and if it then how is it practiced there?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">If you still want to deny that with same line again and again, despite of so many references of Mokh/<strong>Salvation</strong> in Gurbani ,then it is your <strong>free will</strong>.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">I am not denying anything. It is you who fails to understand the subtleties of the translation from the Gurbani language to English despite many explanations. I have no idea which part of the concept of Salvation that I explained you did not get? </span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Do you understand the difference between a deer and a deer skin as I explained in my last post or are they one and the same for you?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Please ask me again because Salvation in the religious term is used in the Abrahamic religions as mentioned many times before and it means the opposite in Sikhi. So, we have to tread very carefully as many non Punjabis also want to understand the translation and if they belong to any of the above three religions then, the message of the beautiful Gurbani will become distorted and misleading. I am sure that is not your goal nor your intentions despite your obstinate persistence.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">You have used one more Abrahamical term today. <strong>Freewill</strong>. </span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">What do you mean by <strong>Freewill</strong> from the Sikhi concept? Please elaborate with the help of Gurbani so I can understand it better. </span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Perhaps, we have to change this one as well for our English understanding audience as many other words that distort the Gurbani's message and give it a Biblical flare which is not a good thing.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">If your point is that Salvation is not the correct translation of Mokh without giving any evidence, then what can I say.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">You are hillarious to say the least. I gave you the evidence about salvation in every post. Even today. See the above.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">May be, we have to find better English terms that do not confuse Sikhi with the Abrhamical religions because the terms mean totally the opposite for us. Gurbani is full of subtleties which can not be transported to any other religion and they are if we borrow the religious terms from them. Gurbani's message is unique. Let's try our utmost to make the message what it is.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Thanks & regards for the great indulgence.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Tejwant Singh</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 182892, member: 138"] [COLOR="Blue"]Spiritual Singh ji, Guru Fateh[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Your comments are in[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]and mine in Blue.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]Whats that?[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]It is the inner balance based on Gurbani tools.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]Naam Jap to me is Naam Simran, whether through tounge or in mind. [/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]1. Can you please elaborate that? 2. Can one use any words or only the subscribed ones? 3. What is the modus operandi about this Naam Simran with tongue and mind? 4. I need some Shabads from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to understand it better. Please post a Shabad with your own understanding regarding it in order for me to learn. 5. Is it parroting? 6. Is this practice in Hinduism and other religions and if it then how is it practiced there? [/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]If you still want to deny that with same line again and again, despite of so many references of Mokh/[B]Salvation[/B] in Gurbani ,then it is your [B]free will[/B].[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]I am not denying anything. It is you who fails to understand the subtleties of the translation from the Gurbani language to English despite many explanations. I have no idea which part of the concept of Salvation that I explained you did not get? Do you understand the difference between a deer and a deer skin as I explained in my last post or are they one and the same for you? Please ask me again because Salvation in the religious term is used in the Abrahamic religions as mentioned many times before and it means the opposite in Sikhi. So, we have to tread very carefully as many non Punjabis also want to understand the translation and if they belong to any of the above three religions then, the message of the beautiful Gurbani will become distorted and misleading. I am sure that is not your goal nor your intentions despite your obstinate persistence.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]You have used one more Abrahamical term today. [B]Freewill[/B]. What do you mean by [B]Freewill[/B] from the Sikhi concept? Please elaborate with the help of Gurbani so I can understand it better. [/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]Perhaps, we have to change this one as well for our English understanding audience as many other words that distort the Gurbani's message and give it a Biblical flare which is not a good thing.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Red"]If your point is that Salvation is not the correct translation of Mokh without giving any evidence, then what can I say.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Blue"]You are hillarious to say the least. I gave you the evidence about salvation in every post. Even today. See the above.:) May be, we have to find better English terms that do not confuse Sikhi with the Abrhamical religions because the terms mean totally the opposite for us. Gurbani is full of subtleties which can not be transported to any other religion and they are if we borrow the religious terms from them. Gurbani's message is unique. Let's try our utmost to make the message what it is. Thanks & regards for the great indulgence. Tejwant Singh[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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