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<blockquote data-quote="kawalsin" data-source="post: 92331" data-attributes="member: 7651"><p>Dear Kandola ji,</p><p> God did not create Homosexuality. He created humans (and everything else) and gave 'Budhi' to distinguish between proper and improper, good and bad. What you choose is your free will, but consequences of the choice are not as per your free will. It is like a video game, all moves (right or wrong) have been pre-coded and one playing it is free to choose any move. But at the the game will be won or lost as per the moves you made. Guru Arjan Dev Ji has clarified in Basant Raag (Ang 1185) as follows:</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਹਿੰਡੋਲ </span></span> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਹੋਇ ਇਕਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੈ ਕੇ ਹੋਵਹੁ ਜੋੜੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੈਸਹੁ </span></span> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਸਫਾ ਵਿਛਾਇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੧</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਪਾਸਾ ਢਾਲਹੁ ਬੀਰ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਹੁ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਅੰਤ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਹ </span></span> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਲਾਗੈ ਪੀਰ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੧</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਰਹਾਉ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਚਉਪੜਿ ਸਾਜਹੁ ਸਤੁ ਕਰਹੁ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਸਾਰੀ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ </span></span> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਜੀਤਹੁ ਐਸੀ ਖੇਲ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਆਰੀ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੨</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਉਠਿ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰਹੁ ਪਰਭਾਤੇ ਸੋਏ ਹਰਿ ਆਰਾਧੇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਬਿਖੜੇ ਦਾਉ </span></span> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਲੰਘਾਵੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸੁਖ ਸਹਜ ਸੇਤੀ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਤੇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੩</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਖੇਲੈ ਆਪੇ ਦੇਖੈ ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਰਚਨੁ </span></span> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਰਚਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਖੇਲੈ ਸੋ ਜਿਣਿ ਬਾਜੀ ਘਰਿ ਆਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੪</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੧</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੧੯</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">BASANT, FIFTH MEHL, SECOND HOUSE, HINDOL: </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ONE UNIVERSAL CREATOR GOD. BY THE GRACE OF THE TRUE GURU: </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Come and join together, O my Siblings of Destiny; dispel your sense of duality and let yourselves be lovingly absorbed in the Lord. Let yourselves be joined to the Name of the Lord; become Gurmukh, spread out your mat, and sit down. || 1 || In this way, throw the dice, O brothers. As Gurmukh, chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, day and night. At the very last moment, you shall not have to suffer in pain. || 1 || Pause || Let righteous actions be your gameboard, and let the truth be your dice. Conquer sexual desire, anger, greed and worldly attachment; only such a game as this is dear to the Lord. || 2 || Rise in the early hours of the morning, and take your cleansing bath. Before you go to bed at night, remember to worship the Lord. My True Guru will assist you, even on your most difficult moves; you shall reach your true home in celestial peace and poise. || 3 || The Lord Himself plays, and He Himself watches; the Lord Himself created the creation. O servant Nanak, that person who plays this game as Gurmukh, wins the game of life, and returns to his true home. || 4 || 1 || 19 ||</span></p><p> </p><p>Kabir ji on Ang 1159 says:</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਇਹੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅਉਸਰੁ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਾਰ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਘਟ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਤੂ ਦੇਖੁ ਬਿਚਾਰਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਜੀਤਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਰਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਹਿਓ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੫</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੧</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">੯</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'">॥</span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">This is your chance, and this is your time. Look deep into your own heart, and reflect on this. Says Kabeer, you can win or lose. In so many ways, I have proclaimed this out loud. || 5 || 1 || 9 || </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So Veer ji, It is your life and a chance given to you by God. Win or Lose. Choice is yours. Do not blame God later.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Daas </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Kawaljit Singh</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniBani'"></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kawalsin, post: 92331, member: 7651"] Dear Kandola ji, God did not create Homosexuality. He created humans (and everything else) and gave 'Budhi' to distinguish between proper and improper, good and bad. What you choose is your free will, but consequences of the choice are not as per your free will. It is like a video game, all moves (right or wrong) have been pre-coded and one playing it is free to choose any move. But at the the game will be won or lost as per the moves you made. Guru Arjan Dev Ji has clarified in Basant Raag (Ang 1185) as follows: [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਬਸੰਤੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਹਿੰਡੋਲ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਹੋਇ ਇਕਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਲਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕਰਹੁ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੈ ਕੇ ਹੋਵਹੁ ਜੋੜੀ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਬੈਸਹੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਸਫਾ ਵਿਛਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਇਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਬਿਧਿ ਪਾਸਾ ਢਾਲਹੁ ਬੀਰ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਹੁ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਅੰਤ ਕਾਲਿ ਨਹ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਲਾਗੈ ਪੀਰ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਰਹਾਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਚਉਪੜਿ ਸਾਜਹੁ ਸਤੁ ਕਰਹੁ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਸਾਰੀ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਜੀਤਹੁ ਐਸੀ ਖੇਲ ਹਰਿ ਪਿਆਰੀ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਉਠਿ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰਹੁ ਪਰਭਾਤੇ ਸੋਏ ਹਰਿ ਆਰਾਧੇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਬਿਖੜੇ ਦਾਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਲੰਘਾਵੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸੁਖ ਸਹਜ ਸੇਤੀ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਤੇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੩[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਖੇਲੈ ਆਪੇ ਦੇਖੈ ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਰਚਨੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਰਚਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਖੇਲੈ ਸੋ ਜਿਣਿ ਬਾਜੀ ਘਰਿ ਆਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੪[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੧੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]BASANT, FIFTH MEHL, SECOND HOUSE, HINDOL: [/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma]ONE UNIVERSAL CREATOR GOD. BY THE GRACE OF THE TRUE GURU: [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Come and join together, O my Siblings of Destiny; dispel your sense of duality and let yourselves be lovingly absorbed in the Lord. Let yourselves be joined to the Name of the Lord; become Gurmukh, spread out your mat, and sit down. || 1 || In this way, throw the dice, O brothers. As Gurmukh, chant the Naam, the Name of the Lord, day and night. At the very last moment, you shall not have to suffer in pain. || 1 || Pause || Let righteous actions be your gameboard, and let the truth be your dice. Conquer sexual desire, anger, greed and worldly attachment; only such a game as this is dear to the Lord. || 2 || Rise in the early hours of the morning, and take your cleansing bath. Before you go to bed at night, remember to worship the Lord. My True Guru will assist you, even on your most difficult moves; you shall reach your true home in celestial peace and poise. || 3 || The Lord Himself plays, and He Himself watches; the Lord Himself created the creation. O servant Nanak, that person who plays this game as Gurmukh, wins the game of life, and returns to his true home. || 4 || 1 || 19 ||[/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] Kabir ji on Ang 1159 says: [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][SIZE=2][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਇਹੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅਉਸਰੁ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਾਰ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਘਟ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਤੂ ਦੇਖੁ ਬਿਚਾਰਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਜੀਤਿ ਕੈ ਹਾਰਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਕਹਿਓ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੫[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniBani][COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]This is your chance, and this is your time. Look deep into your own heart, and reflect on this. Says Kabeer, you can win or lose. In so many ways, I have proclaimed this out loud. || 5 || 1 || 9 || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]So Veer ji, It is your life and a chance given to you by God. Win or Lose. Choice is yours. Do not blame God later.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]Daas [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman]Kawaljit Singh[/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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