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<blockquote data-quote="CaramelChocolate" data-source="post: 12593" data-attributes="member: 228"><p>I have been thinking about doing this for a while, but now I am actually going to do it.</p><p>I am going to ask GOD to give us some advice on this issue, through taking a hukamnama.</p><p>"Waheguruji, please give the sadh sangat some advice through Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on the issue of homosexuality"</p><p><a href="http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/Register.nsf/CyberHukamnama!OpenForm" target="_blank">http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/Register.nsf/CyberHukamnama!OpenForm</a></p><p> </p><p>The answer from Guruji is:</p><p><a href="http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/1219.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/1219.html</a></p><p> </p><p>Let me analyse what Guruji's answer may mean.</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Saarang, Fifth Mehl:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The Name of the Lord is cooling and soothing.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>God's praise makes life easier [makes it easier to deal with the prejudice]</em></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Searching, searching the Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees, the Holy Saints have realized this. ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">In the worlds of Shiva, Brahma and Indra, I wandered around, burning up with envy.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Homosexuals should not hide who they are and be jealous or envious that they are not homosexual.</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Meditating, meditating in remembrance on my Lord and Master, I became cool and calm; my pains, sorrows and doubts are gone. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>The homosexual should meditate on God if prejudice in society leads them to doubt his existence [this ties in nicely with the quote from Sukhmani sahib]</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Whoever has been saved in the past or the present, was saved through loving devotional worship of the Divine Lord.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>KEY QUOTE.... we are saved through love of Waheguru, NOT sexuality</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">This is Nanak's prayer: O Dear God, please let me serve the humble Saints. ||2||52||75||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Saarang, Fifth Mehl;</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">O my tongue, sing the Ambrosial Praises of the Lord.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, listen to the Lord's Sermon, and chant God's Name. ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Always paise God and listen to this advice that Guruji is currently giving</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">So gather in the jewel, the wealth of the Lord's Name; love God with your mind and body.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Love God more than the worldly things [do not become too attached to sexuality]</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">You must realize that all other wealth is false; this alone is the true purpose of life. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>The wealth of any relation is temporary [heterosexual or homosexual]</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">He is the Giver of the soul, the breath of life and liberation; lovingly tune in to the One and Only Lord.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Says Nanak, I have entered His Sanctuary; He gives sustenance to all. ||2||53||76||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>He sustains ALL</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Saarang, Fifth Mehl:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">I cannot do anything else.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>We cannot do anything else apart from entering God's sanctuary, some things are out of our control, meaning that homosexuals should do the best they can within their capacity</em></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">I have taken this Support, meeting the Saints; I have entered the Sanctuary of the One Lord of the World. ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The five wicked enemies are within this body; they lead the mortal to practice evil and corruption.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000">I guess this refers to the five vices... so whatever the person's orientation or preferences, they shoudl try to fight them [applies to heterosexual and homosexual] and keep them as little as possible</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">He has infinite hope, but his days are numbered, and old age is sapping his strength. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">He is the Help of the helpless, the Merciful Lord, the Ocean of Peace, the Destroyer of all pains and fears.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>It may hurt to be in this minority but God is here to help these people become strong and reduce their pain</em></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Slave Nanak longs for this blessing, that he may live, gazing upon the Feet of God. ||2||54||77||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Saarang, Fifth Mehl:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Without the Lord's Name, flavors are tasteless and insipid.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Just because one is homosexual they should not stop praising God and if they do loose faith their sexuality will become pure vice [along with heterosexuality]</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Sing the Sweet Ambrosial Praises of the Lord's Kirtan; day and night, the Sound-current of the Naad will resonate and resound. ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Meditating in remembrance on the Lord, total peace and bliss are obtained, and all sorrows are taken away.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The profit of the Lord, Har, Har, is found in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy; so load it and bring it on home. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Keep the company of the devotees of God and not those in the homosexual community who live a life of lust alone, find other spiritual homosexuals</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">He is the Highest of all, the Highest of the high; His celestial ecomony has no limit.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Nanak cannot even express His Glorious Grandeur; gazing upon Him, he is wonder-struck. ||2||55||78||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Saarang, Fifth Mehl:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The mortal came to hear and chant the Word of the Guru's Bani.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">But he has forgotten the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and he has become attached to other temptations. His life is totally worthless! ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Do not become too attached to your sexuality [again any sexuality] or any other vice</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">O my unconscious mind, become conscious and figure it out; the Saints speak the Unspoken Speech of the Lord.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Work this out for yourself! use common sense</em></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">So gather in your profits - worship and adore the Lord within your heart; your coming and going in reincarnation shall end. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Efforts, powers and clever tricks are Yours; if You bless me with them, I repeat Your Name.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'WebAkharThick'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #800000"><em>Homosexuals are being tested on their faith in God?? If a homosexual keeps his/her faith in God then they will become stronger believers than heterosexuals in the long run, as they will go through much prejudice which could essentially make them disbelieve or believe strongly</em></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">They alone are devotees, and they alone are attached to devotional worship, O Nanak, who are pleasing to God. ||2||56||79||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Saarang, Fifth Mehl:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Those who deal in the Naam, the Name of the Lord, are wealthy.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080"></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: darkred"><em>Those who devote themselves to God are rich in personality, goodness and spirituality</em></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">So become a partner with them, and earn the wealth of the Naam. Contemplate the Word of the Guru's Shabad. ||1||Pause||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><em>A homosexual should settle with someone who is devoted to God and spiritual like them.</em></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaramelChocolate, post: 12593, member: 228"] I have been thinking about doing this for a while, but now I am actually going to do it. I am going to ask GOD to give us some advice on this issue, through taking a hukamnama. "Waheguruji, please give the sadh sangat some advice through Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on the issue of homosexuality" [URL="http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/Register.nsf/CyberHukamnama!OpenForm"]http://www.sikhnet.com/Sikhnet/Register.nsf/CyberHukamnama!OpenForm[/URL] The answer from Guruji is: [URL="http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/1219.html"]http://www.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/1219.html[/URL] Let me analyse what Guruji's answer may mean. [SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Saarang, Fifth Mehl: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The Name of the Lord is cooling and soothing. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]God's praise makes life easier [makes it easier to deal with the prejudice][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Searching, searching the Vedas, the Puraanas and the Simritees, the Holy Saints have realized this. ||1||Pause|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]In the worlds of Shiva, Brahma and Indra, I wandered around, burning up with envy. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Homosexuals should not hide who they are and be jealous or envious that they are not homosexual.[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Meditating, meditating in remembrance on my Lord and Master, I became cool and calm; my pains, sorrows and doubts are gone. ||1|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]The homosexual should meditate on God if prejudice in society leads them to doubt his existence [this ties in nicely with the quote from Sukhmani sahib][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Whoever has been saved in the past or the present, was saved through loving devotional worship of the Divine Lord. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]KEY QUOTE.... we are saved through love of Waheguru, NOT sexuality[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]This is Nanak's prayer: O Dear God, please let me serve the humble Saints. ||2||52||75|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Saarang, Fifth Mehl; [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]O my tongue, sing the Ambrosial Praises of the Lord. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har, listen to the Lord's Sermon, and chant God's Name. ||1||Pause|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Always paise God and listen to this advice that Guruji is currently giving[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]So gather in the jewel, the wealth of the Lord's Name; love God with your mind and body. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Love God more than the worldly things [do not become too attached to sexuality][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]You must realize that all other wealth is false; this alone is the true purpose of life. ||1|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]The wealth of any relation is temporary [heterosexual or homosexual][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]He is the Giver of the soul, the breath of life and liberation; lovingly tune in to the One and Only Lord. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Says Nanak, I have entered His Sanctuary; He gives sustenance to all. ||2||53||76|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]He sustains ALL[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Saarang, Fifth Mehl: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]I cannot do anything else. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]We cannot do anything else apart from entering God's sanctuary, some things are out of our control, meaning that homosexuals should do the best they can within their capacity[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]I have taken this Support, meeting the Saints; I have entered the Sanctuary of the One Lord of the World. ||1||Pause|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The five wicked enemies are within this body; they lead the mortal to practice evil and corruption. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000]I guess this refers to the five vices... so whatever the person's orientation or preferences, they shoudl try to fight them [applies to heterosexual and homosexual] and keep them as little as possible[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]He has infinite hope, but his days are numbered, and old age is sapping his strength. ||1|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]He is the Help of the helpless, the Merciful Lord, the Ocean of Peace, the Destroyer of all pains and fears. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]It may hurt to be in this minority but God is here to help these people become strong and reduce their pain[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Slave Nanak longs for this blessing, that he may live, gazing upon the Feet of God. ||2||54||77|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Saarang, Fifth Mehl: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Without the Lord's Name, flavors are tasteless and insipid. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Just because one is homosexual they should not stop praising God and if they do loose faith their sexuality will become pure vice [along with heterosexuality][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Sing the Sweet Ambrosial Praises of the Lord's Kirtan; day and night, the Sound-current of the Naad will resonate and resound. ||1||Pause|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Meditating in remembrance on the Lord, total peace and bliss are obtained, and all sorrows are taken away. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The profit of the Lord, Har, Har, is found in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy; so load it and bring it on home. ||1|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Keep the company of the devotees of God and not those in the homosexual community who live a life of lust alone, find other spiritual homosexuals[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]He is the Highest of all, the Highest of the high; His celestial ecomony has no limit. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Nanak cannot even express His Glorious Grandeur; gazing upon Him, he is wonder-struck. ||2||55||78||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Saarang, Fifth Mehl: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The mortal came to hear and chant the Word of the Guru's Bani. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]But he has forgotten the Naam, the Name of the Lord, and he has become attached to other temptations. His life is totally worthless! ||1||Pause|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Do not become too attached to your sexuality [again any sexuality] or any other vice[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]O my unconscious mind, become conscious and figure it out; the Saints speak the Unspoken Speech of the Lord. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Work this out for yourself! use common sense[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]So gather in your profits - worship and adore the Lord within your heart; your coming and going in reincarnation shall end. ||1|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Efforts, powers and clever tricks are Yours; if You bless me with them, I repeat Your Name. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][I]Homosexuals are being tested on their faith in God?? If a homosexual keeps his/her faith in God then they will become stronger believers than heterosexuals in the long run, as they will go through much prejudice which could essentially make them disbelieve or believe strongly[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]They alone are devotees, and they alone are attached to devotional worship, O Nanak, who are pleasing to God. ||2||56||79|| [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Saarang, Fifth Mehl: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Those who deal in the Naam, the Name of the Lord, are wealthy. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=WebAkharThick][SIZE=4][COLOR=#800000][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=darkred][I]Those who devote themselves to God are rich in personality, goodness and spirituality[/I][/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]So become a partner with them, and earn the wealth of the Naam. Contemplate the Word of the Guru's Shabad. ||1||Pause||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=darkred][I]A homosexual should settle with someone who is devoted to God and spiritual like them.[/I][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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