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<blockquote data-quote="Akashdeep Singh" data-source="post: 56858" data-attributes="member: 3640"><p>My experience with such people has been totally different from that of yours. On the issue of the ability of the person you are talking about you should look and research a few questions to start with: -</p><p></p><p>1. How much about you is known to the people common between the person who told you about your life and yourself?</p><p>2. How much stuff the person told you is common and general stuff? For example - saying that you have/had/will have problem in love life, you have/had/will have financial problem, someone is/did/will cause problem in your life etc. etc. is pretty general and will cover most of the people <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> . Remember - <em>"Nanak dukhia sab sansaar" </em></p><p></p><p>Below is what Gurbani says about Astrology and Fortune telling: -</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਆਂਟ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਸੇਤੀ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਨਾਕੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਪਕੜਹਿ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸੂਝਤੇ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਤਿਨਿ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਲੋਅ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਮਗਰ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਪਾਛੈ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਕਛੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਨ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸੂਝੈ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਏਹੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਪਦਮ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਅਲੋਅ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">੨</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span> <em></em></p><p><em>[AGGS, M 1, P 662]</em></p><p></p><p>"One holds the nose with his two fingers and thumb</p><p>and claims to see three worlds. But it is very astonishing</p><p>that he does not know what is behind his back."</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਗਣਿ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਗਣਿ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਜੋਤਕੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਕਾਂਡੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਕੀਨੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਪੜੈ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਸੁਣਾਵੈ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਤਤੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਨ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਚੀਨੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਭਸੈ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਊਪਰਿ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਗੁਰ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਸਬਦੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਬੀਚਾਰੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਹੋਰ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਕਥਨੀ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਬਦਉ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਨ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਗਲੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਛਾਰੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue"> ॥</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">੨</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span><em> </em></p><p><em>[AGGS, M 1, P 904.]</em></p><p></p><p>"Astrologer counts and recounts and prepare the horoscope.</p><p>Then he reads it to his clients. But he does not</p><p>recognize the reality. The highest of all is the philosophy</p><p>of the Guru. All others deliberations are ashes</p><p>(means nothing)."</p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਮਨ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਕੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਪਤ੍ਰੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਵਾਚਣੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸੁਖੀ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਹੂ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸੁਖੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸਾਰੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਸੋ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਭਲਾ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਆਖੀਐ</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue"> ਜਿ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਬੂਝੈ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"><span style="color: Blue">ਬੀਚਾਰੁ </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'"><span style="color: Blue">॥</span></span><em></em></p><p><em>[AGGS, M 3, P 1093.]</em></p><p></p><p>"(Instead of reading the horoscopes of others) read the</p><p>horoscope of your mind to find the highest joy of the</p><p>joys. The one, who understand the Divine thought</p><p>(philosophy), is called the noble Brahman."</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now my question for your concience - If fortune - telling is possible than would not that mean that your future is pretty much already fixed and decided? If your future is fixed and already decided then what is your role in this world/cosmos? Remember, what Guru Nanak said, - </p><p></p><p></p><p>Please read the following observation from Dr Joe Schwarcz, Professor of Chemistry, in his article - Sense and Nonsense: -</p><p></p><p>"Astrology has been practiced since the time of the ancient Egyptians. This, however, does not make it valid. Is there any reason to believe that astrology works? Any physics student can calculate that the gravitational effect of the heavenly bodies on human bodies is insignificant. In fact, as far as a baby is concerned, the gravitational effect of the obstetrician at the moment of birth is far greater than the effect of the stars. Is our destiny then shaped by the body weight of the doctor who brings us into the world? There is, however, no need to use physics to refute astrology. Its validity can be readily tested. Just ask a number of people to write autobiographical sketches. Give these to astrologers together with the birth dates of the subjects. Ask the astrologers to match the character sketches with the birth dates. They can't. It is also interesting to note that when birth dates of scientists or politicians or actors or psychics are compiled, they are remarkably random. Shouldn't unemotional, skeptical, profit-oriented scientists have different birth signs than sensitive, altruistic, generous psychics? But I guess I'm being too cynical. It must be because I'm a Leo and everyone knows that Leos are much too sensible to believe in such nonsense." [1]</p><p></p><p>References: <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Schwarcz, Joe. 1998. Sense and Nonsense. The Gazette, Montreal,<br /> Sunday, October 25, 1998, page C4.</li> </ol></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Akashdeep Singh, post: 56858, member: 3640"] My experience with such people has been totally different from that of yours. On the issue of the ability of the person you are talking about you should look and research a few questions to start with: - 1. How much about you is known to the people common between the person who told you about your life and yourself? 2. How much stuff the person told you is common and general stuff? For example - saying that you have/had/will have problem in love life, you have/had/will have financial problem, someone is/did/will cause problem in your life etc. etc. is pretty general and will cover most of the people :) . Remember - [I]"Nanak dukhia sab sansaar" [/I] Below is what Gurbani says about Astrology and Fortune telling: - [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਆਂਟ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਸੇਤੀ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਨਾਕੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਪਕੜਹਿ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਸੂਝਤੇ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਤਿਨਿ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਲੋਅ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਮਗਰ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਪਾਛੈ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਕਛੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਨ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਸੂਝੈ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਏਹੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਪਦਮ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਅਲੋਅ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]੨[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [I] [AGGS, M 1, P 662][/I] "One holds the nose with his two fingers and thumb and claims to see three worlds. But it is very astonishing that he does not know what is behind his back." [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਗਣਿ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਗਣਿ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਜੋਤਕੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਕਾਂਡੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਕੀਨੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਪੜੈ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਸੁਣਾਵੈ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਤਤੁ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਨ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਚੀਨੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਸਭਸੈ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਊਪਰਿ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਗੁਰ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਸਬਦੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਬੀਚਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਹੋਰ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਕਥਨੀ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਬਦਉ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਨ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਸਗਲੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਛਾਰੁ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue] ॥[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]੨[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT][I] [AGGS, M 1, P 904.][/I] "Astrologer counts and recounts and prepare the horoscope. Then he reads it to his clients. But he does not recognize the reality. The highest of all is the philosophy of the Guru. All others deliberations are ashes (means nothing)." [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਮਨ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਕੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਪਤ੍ਰੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਵਾਚਣੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਸੁਖੀ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਹੂ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਸੁਖੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਸਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਸੋ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਬ੍ਰਾਹਮਣੁ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਭਲਾ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਆਖੀਐ[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue] ਜਿ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਬੂਝੈ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Raavi][COLOR=Blue]ਬੀਚਾਰੁ [/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Mangal][COLOR=Blue]॥[/COLOR][/FONT][I] [AGGS, M 3, P 1093.][/I] "(Instead of reading the horoscopes of others) read the horoscope of your mind to find the highest joy of the joys. The one, who understand the Divine thought (philosophy), is called the noble Brahman." Now my question for your concience - If fortune - telling is possible than would not that mean that your future is pretty much already fixed and decided? If your future is fixed and already decided then what is your role in this world/cosmos? Remember, what Guru Nanak said, - Please read the following observation from Dr Joe Schwarcz, Professor of Chemistry, in his article - Sense and Nonsense: - "Astrology has been practiced since the time of the ancient Egyptians. This, however, does not make it valid. Is there any reason to believe that astrology works? Any physics student can calculate that the gravitational effect of the heavenly bodies on human bodies is insignificant. In fact, as far as a baby is concerned, the gravitational effect of the obstetrician at the moment of birth is far greater than the effect of the stars. Is our destiny then shaped by the body weight of the doctor who brings us into the world? There is, however, no need to use physics to refute astrology. Its validity can be readily tested. Just ask a number of people to write autobiographical sketches. Give these to astrologers together with the birth dates of the subjects. Ask the astrologers to match the character sketches with the birth dates. They can't. It is also interesting to note that when birth dates of scientists or politicians or actors or psychics are compiled, they are remarkably random. Shouldn't unemotional, skeptical, profit-oriented scientists have different birth signs than sensitive, altruistic, generous psychics? But I guess I'm being too cynical. It must be because I'm a Leo and everyone knows that Leos are much too sensible to believe in such nonsense." [1] References:[LIST=1] [*]Schwarcz, Joe. 1998. Sense and Nonsense. The Gazette, Montreal, Sunday, October 25, 1998, page C4.[/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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