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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 12144" data-attributes="member: 189"><p><strong>Re: Black magic</strong></p><p></p><p>I came across this mail...Noteworthy point is that NONE of the SIKH GURUS SAHIBBAANS ever "cast" out any devils or "evil spirits" "unclean spirits" etc as is routine for Jesus and His Church even TODAY.</p><p> </p><p>Sikhism doesnt have any "exorcists" or "witch doctors" to cast out evil spirits black magic etc. Gurbani does state that..any place where the PRAISES of WAHEGURU are being SUNG..THATS the "ONE PLACE EVIL SHUN".... like the PLAGUE !!! SO anyone who beleives in Gurbani and does paath/Kirtan regularly need not fear any such. Bhai Sahib bahi randheer Singh ji in his books has stated many incidents of "houses" and dwellings that had "evil spirits" living there for generations....who were driven out with just one Akahnd paath and Kirtan smagam...one such evil spirit even attained muktee. SO even IF such things exist..we are not to be bothered too much as they have a different plane or world from ours and the two seldom cross.</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Absurdities in Mark</span></strong></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">"Unclean spirits" confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. If <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1jn/4.html#2" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1 Jn.4:2</span></u></a> is true, then these "unclean spirits" are of God. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/1.html#23" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1:23-24</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus casts out more devils and tells them not to reveal who he is. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/1.html#32" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1:32-34</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">More "unclean spirits" confess that Jesus is "the son of God." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1jn/4.html#2" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1 Jn.4:2</span></u></a> says that all such spirits are of God. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#11" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">3:11</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Although the disciples weren't sure about Jesus even after his alleged resurrection, the "unclean spirits" knew that he was "the son of God." But Jesus told them not to tell anyone. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#11" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">3:11-12</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus gives his apostles the power to heal sickness and "cast out devils." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#15" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">3:15</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus' friends think he is insane. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#21" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">3:21</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">The scribes think that Jesus casts out devils by the power of the prince of devils, Beelzebub. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#22" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">3:22</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">A man possessed with "an unclean spirit" recognizes Jesus as the son of God. According to <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1jn/4.html#2" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1 Jn.4:2, 15</span></u></a>, this man must have been "of God." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/5.html#7" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">5:7</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">"Thy faith hath made thee whole." If you have enough faith, you will never get sick. (Illness is caused by sin and lack of faith. Medical science is unnecessary.) <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/5.html#34" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">5:34</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus is rejected by those who knew him the best, the people from his home town of Nazareth. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#3" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">6:3</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">"And he could do there no mighty work." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#5" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">6:5</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus sends out his apostles, two by two, to cast out "unclean spirits." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#7" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">6:7</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">"An evil eye ... defile the man." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/7.html#22" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">7:22-23</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus puts his fingers in a deaf man's ears, then spits and touches the deaf man's tongue. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/7.html#33" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">7:33</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">The disciples ought to know by now where they can get enough food to feed a few thousand. After all, Jesus had just done it before (<a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#34" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">6:34-44</span></u></a>). This "doublet" was probably the result of two oral traditions of the same event. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#4" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">8:4</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus spits on a blind man's eyes. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#23" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">8:23</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus' spit did not completely cure the blind. So Jesus tried again. He put his hands on the man's eyes and, this time, the blind man "saw every man clearly." <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#24" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">8:24-25</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">There were various opinions about the identity of Jesus. Some thought he was Elijah or one of the prophets. And many thought he was a risen John the Baptist. With credulity like that just about anyone could later be passed off as the risen Christ. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#27" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">8:27-28</span></u></a></span></li> </ol><p><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">"Get thee behind me, Satan." When Peter expressed his dismay about Jesus' coming death, Jesus said to him "Get thee behind me, Satan" -- a fine way to address his holiness, the first pope! <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#33" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">8:33</span></u></a></span></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus heals a boy with "a dumb spirit" by saying, "Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him and enter no more into him." (Sounds like a script from Monty Python, doesn't it?) But how could a deaf spirit hear the words spoken to it? And how could a dumb spirit cry out? <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/9.html#17" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">9:17, 25-26</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">The disciples saw some others that they didn't know "casting out devils" in Jesus' name. (It was a popular sport back in those days.) <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/9.html#38" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">9:38</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. He did this to show the world how much <a href="http://godhatesfigs.com/" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">God hates figs</span></u></a>. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/11.html#13" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">11:13-14</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">"In those days ... the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall." Of course this is nonsense. The billions of stars will never fall to earth and the moon does not produce its own light. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/13.html#24" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">13:24-25</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus says that heaven won't last forever. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/13.html#31" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">13:31</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">There are some things that Jesus doesn't know -- like when the end of the world will come. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/13.html#32" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">13:32</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/14.html#22" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">14:22-24</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">One of the followers of Jesus was a young, nearly naked man who dropped his linen cloth and "fled from them naked" when the priests came to arrest Jesus. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/14.html#51" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">14:51-52</span></u></a></span></li> </ol> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">The true followers of Christ routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2)speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them. <a href="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/16.html#17" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">16:17-18</span></u></a></span></li> </ol><p></p><p>Jarnail Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 12144, member: 189"] [b]Re: Black magic[/b] I came across this mail...Noteworthy point is that NONE of the SIKH GURUS SAHIBBAANS ever "cast" out any devils or "evil spirits" "unclean spirits" etc as is routine for Jesus and His Church even TODAY. Sikhism doesnt have any "exorcists" or "witch doctors" to cast out evil spirits black magic etc. Gurbani does state that..any place where the PRAISES of WAHEGURU are being SUNG..THATS the "ONE PLACE EVIL SHUN".... like the PLAGUE !!! SO anyone who beleives in Gurbani and does paath/Kirtan regularly need not fear any such. Bhai Sahib bahi randheer Singh ji in his books has stated many incidents of "houses" and dwellings that had "evil spirits" living there for generations....who were driven out with just one Akahnd paath and Kirtan smagam...one such evil spirit even attained muktee. SO even IF such things exist..we are not to be bothered too much as they have a different plane or world from ours and the two seldom cross. [b][font=Helvetica]Absurdities in Mark[/font][/b] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]"Unclean spirits" confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. If [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1jn/4.html#2"][u][color=#0000ff]1 Jn.4:2[/color][/u][/url] is true, then these "unclean spirits" are of God. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/1.html#23"][u][color=#0000ff]1:23-24[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus casts out more devils and tells them not to reveal who he is. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/1.html#32"][u][color=#0000ff]1:32-34[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]More "unclean spirits" confess that Jesus is "the son of God." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1jn/4.html#2"][u][color=#0000ff]1 Jn.4:2[/color][/u][/url] says that all such spirits are of God. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#11"][u][color=#0000ff]3:11[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Although the disciples weren't sure about Jesus even after his alleged resurrection, the "unclean spirits" knew that he was "the son of God." But Jesus told them not to tell anyone. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#11"][u][color=#0000ff]3:11-12[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus gives his apostles the power to heal sickness and "cast out devils." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#15"][u][color=#0000ff]3:15[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus' friends think he is insane. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#21"][u][color=#0000ff]3:21[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]The scribes think that Jesus casts out devils by the power of the prince of devils, Beelzebub. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/3.html#22"][u][color=#0000ff]3:22[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]A man possessed with "an unclean spirit" recognizes Jesus as the son of God. According to [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1jn/4.html#2"][u][color=#0000ff]1 Jn.4:2, 15[/color][/u][/url], this man must have been "of God." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/5.html#7"][u][color=#0000ff]5:7[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]"Thy faith hath made thee whole." If you have enough faith, you will never get sick. (Illness is caused by sin and lack of faith. Medical science is unnecessary.) [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/5.html#34"][u][color=#0000ff]5:34[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus is rejected by those who knew him the best, the people from his home town of Nazareth. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#3"][u][color=#0000ff]6:3[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]"And he could do there no mighty work." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#5"][u][color=#0000ff]6:5[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus sends out his apostles, two by two, to cast out "unclean spirits." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#7"][u][color=#0000ff]6:7[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]"An evil eye ... defile the man." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/7.html#22"][u][color=#0000ff]7:22-23[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus puts his fingers in a deaf man's ears, then spits and touches the deaf man's tongue. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/7.html#33"][u][color=#0000ff]7:33[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]The disciples ought to know by now where they can get enough food to feed a few thousand. After all, Jesus had just done it before ([url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/6.html#34"][u][color=#0000ff]6:34-44[/color][/u][/url]). This "doublet" was probably the result of two oral traditions of the same event. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#4"][u][color=#0000ff]8:4[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus spits on a blind man's eyes. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#23"][u][color=#0000ff]8:23[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus' spit did not completely cure the blind. So Jesus tried again. He put his hands on the man's eyes and, this time, the blind man "saw every man clearly." [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#24"][u][color=#0000ff]8:24-25[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]There were various opinions about the identity of Jesus. Some thought he was Elijah or one of the prophets. And many thought he was a risen John the Baptist. With credulity like that just about anyone could later be passed off as the risen Christ. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#27"][u][color=#0000ff]8:27-28[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list][font=Helvetica]"Get thee behind me, Satan." When Peter expressed his dismay about Jesus' coming death, Jesus said to him "Get thee behind me, Satan" -- a fine way to address his holiness, the first pope! [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/8.html#33"][u][color=#0000ff]8:33[/color][/u][/url][/font] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus heals a boy with "a dumb spirit" by saying, "Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him and enter no more into him." (Sounds like a script from Monty Python, doesn't it?) But how could a deaf spirit hear the words spoken to it? And how could a dumb spirit cry out? [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/9.html#17"][u][color=#0000ff]9:17, 25-26[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]The disciples saw some others that they didn't know "casting out devils" in Jesus' name. (It was a popular sport back in those days.) [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/9.html#38"][u][color=#0000ff]9:38[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. He did this to show the world how much [url="http://godhatesfigs.com/"][u][color=#0000ff]God hates figs[/color][/u][/url]. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/11.html#13"][u][color=#0000ff]11:13-14[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]"In those days ... the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall." Of course this is nonsense. The billions of stars will never fall to earth and the moon does not produce its own light. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/13.html#24"][u][color=#0000ff]13:24-25[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus says that heaven won't last forever. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/13.html#31"][u][color=#0000ff]13:31[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]There are some things that Jesus doesn't know -- like when the end of the world will come. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/13.html#32"][u][color=#0000ff]13:32[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/14.html#22"][u][color=#0000ff]14:22-24[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]One of the followers of Jesus was a young, nearly naked man who dropped his linen cloth and "fled from them naked" when the priests came to arrest Jesus. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/14.html#51"][u][color=#0000ff]14:51-52[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] [list=1] [*][font=Helvetica]The true followers of Christ routinely perform the following tricks: 1) cast out devils, 2)speak in tongues, 3) take up serpents, 4) drink poisons without harm, and 5) cure the sick by touching them. [url="http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/16.html#17"][u][color=#0000ff]16:17-18[/color][/u][/url][/font] [/list] Jarnail Singh [/QUOTE]
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