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<blockquote data-quote="venod" data-source="post: 54615" data-attributes="member: 4851"><p><strong>Re: Sikhism : An old wine in -New Bottle</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I acknowledge with thanks and humility the posts, of S.Vikram ji, Harjap ji, S. Pritpal ji, Vahe Guruseeker ji , S. Amar pal ji and Japji Sahib004 ji with thanks as these all illuminating in their own way. I am in my own way putting forth the practices of Hinduism for your benefit. I shall also enclose here with a fact sheet from the site or provide a link address of some site that would present you with an objective knowledge of Hinduism and faith and belief.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The main differences in the two religions, as has been stated, appears to be <span style="color: blue">Varn- ashram</span> and the <span style="color: blue">form of God</span> that is stated to be <span style="color: blue">form-less</span>. These are also called as <span style="color: blue">Incarnations</span> . <span style="color: #333300">We can discuss the concepts of the Kirat karna, meditation and ‘Vand ke Chakna’. It is my duty to get you acquainted with the conceptual framework . I have understood that you want to convey. These are the teachings for a sikh. But I do not know to what extent these are practiced , anyway , you may go thru. the following.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Varan Ashram</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: blue">Varan Ashrams </span>, would mean that 'Manu' had divided the society in four kinds of people like 1.Brahmin/pandit, 2.Kshatriya 3. Vaishya and 4. Shudras/ Low- caste. There were reasons when this demarcation was done for the smooth sail of society. The system had worked very well over the centuries but over a long passage of time it was institutionalized as a caste system and did harm the <em>Shudras</em> who over a period of time were known to be untouchables. These people have been recognized and Indian Government has passed special and specific legislations from time to time for the improvement of the lot by enacting laws for scheduled caste and schedules tribes and other backward classes. Efforts and being taken .It will take some time that the equilibrium would be restored and there would be equi-distribution of the income. In any case it is more of a socio-economic problem and is addressed by those concerned. Nothing in the religion should be anachronistic else it will not find the subscriber to the theory. It is concluded that there were system whereby society was classified into groups the purpose of which was to permit the smooth running of the society. It was a social arrangement that the society was divided. It was based on division of labor and the economic theory of ‘relative disadvantages’. However, there ae no classifications. Globalisation has taken roots in this country as well. Religion for Hindus, have taken a back seat for quite sometime. I do repeat that we do not visit temple just for the sake of visiting .This used to be the case about 2/3 decades earlier. The method of worship is simplified. About 80 /90 percent of the Hindus do not worship Dieties except on occasion like Deepawali or Janashtami. Diety worship is limited to temples only. Only those who have the time do visit. It is not mandatory for a Hindu to visit a temple. I do not remember when I have visited temple last with my familty. I have no diety installed in my house. Yes, we keep Dhoop/ Agarbatti for the evening as it has a positive affect when we offer our prayers in our fashion. Some time we chant in the evening:</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">‘<em>Om Jai Jagdish Hare…Swami Jai Jagdish Hare……”</em> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">[ It can be a sort of ‘shabad keertan of sikhs]</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Things are changing fast. The opening up of economy has offered new challenges and opportunities as well. One need not go to USA. A professor in MBA institute of engineering Institute can now make about a million Rs per annum.</span></span></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Naam</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">For most of us Om is a 'naam'</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Multiplicity Of Gods </span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Regarding form of the Gods, it is to be appreciated that it is within the over all Monoeteism that there is one universal supreme soul that the polyetheism format of the Godhead theology took place. There are many demi-God or Demi-Goddesses . People started worshipping the type of the attribute or the particular attribute that was so essential for them that they named that attribute. In some cases where women had to fight men against injustice, one started praying the Kali or Ma Vaishno Devi and so the demi god and goddesses took birth. The diety concept is also based on this account that one has to differentiate one’s G from another G and hence one thought of sculpturing the God. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Another important dimension to the Diety is that it was easy for one to conceptualise the presence of the Divine as one could see. There is no other purpose. There are some ritualistic worships on the occasion of birth/naming ceremony/entering a new house/ Marriage and allied. I hope you must be having some of these as per your faith.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It was convenient and that is how the society grew over a passage of time. It is how a faith travels over a time that certain aberrations start appearing and become as protuberances. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There are certain distortions that keep on creeping in any institutions till they raise their black head with such a potency that it takes the form of an evil that, if uncontrolled, goes out of control. It was this evil that Guru Nanak observed and did not include in the religion. But then all the religions have their plus and minus points.</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">One universal Soul / God</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Hindus do believe that there is one universal soul [<em>Parmatman</em>] and the rest of the souls <em>[Atman]</em> are also as eternal as the universal soul as Sikhs do believe. The three attributes of God, creator/ sustainer and destructor are represented by Three gods called <em>Braham, </em>Vishnu and Shiva. Gurbani do sustain/states this. We call that one Great as <em>Brahman </em>or some do prefer it as <em>Brahma. </em><em>The concept Of one universal soul is as old as the religion. However, the society tends to see only that part of the entity that is suitable and conveniently avoid the other. The trinity God concept is a representative of the three most important attributes and hence instead of saying /naming them these have been stated separately. You may consider as it suits you. For us it is not significant. It may be significant for a temple where only Shiv Devotees visit.</em></span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Purpose of life: To Meet HIM</span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yes, it is true that Hinduism is the most tolerant religion and this has led to the Islamilisation as most of the Hindus are basically not used to aggressions. During the Mogul period there were many conversions and the killings of the Hindus. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The purpose of Life of Hindu is To raise oneself spiritually raised to a level that one becomes pure and finally be to the level that one can Call Ahm Brahm. [ I am like Him i.e. after purification of the soul to the level required that it is likely to merge with the Supreme soul.] One can quote from Geeta that is a source book for Hindus.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">We have adopted many of <em>Kabeer’s Dohay </em><em>to explain things. The one commonly used :</em></span></span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff"><em>Guru Gobind dooway Kharay..</em></span></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff"><em><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> Kake Lago Payee …</span></em></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #0000ff"><em>Balihari Guru Aapno jin Gobind diyo Milay.’</em></span></span></span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">We do have Satsangs. Holy congregations .Some meet daily while other meet on once a week basis. There is again no rigidity.</span></span></em></p><p></p><p><strong><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Incarnations</span></span></em></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Many do believe that Some Gods are incarnations of the Lord, the Almighty. Let it be. I am giving you the line taken from sikh-site that Nanak Sahib was a prophet/Incarnation and even a God.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Quote</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Sri Guru Nanak Sahib was the </span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">incarnation of the Lord Almighty,</span></span><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">a prophet</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">, a Jagat Guru from His very birth. He did not, therefore, need the guidance, aid or help of a wordly Guru. He was a born Param Guru, Jagat Guru, Guru Eternal, Supreme Guru. He was a Maker and Producer of Gurus-Divine. He was the Aad and Jugad Guru. As there is no count before one and before God, so is Sri Guru Nanak Sahib, the Supreme Jagat Guru. From this Guru Supreme has again emerged The Guru Eternal in the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib radiating the Eternal Glory of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji<a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=15321#_ftn1" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[1]</span></u></a>.” </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Unquote</span></span></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I do not want to argue on this aspect as to who He was and that He was is enough, whether he was Incarnate or a prophet is meaningless for the discussion till it is agreed to that HE was not himself The Almighty. </span></span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">You may kindly state as to what are the major points of difference of Sikhism from Hinduism except the minor points that are so peculiar to some points. The 5ks need not be stated as a point of difference as we all know that these are there for the purpose of making you appear different.Bana].It wouldbe appreciated that we discuss the pointsat macro level. </span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">In my opinion ,Sirs, nothing and no one is bad and all religions especially the religions of east shouldhave the common Goal. Sikhism is the closest to Hinduism as you must have seen above. You are ,ofcourse, to correct me.</span></span></em></p><p> </p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">With Regards to all.</span></span></em></p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=15321#_ftnref1" target="_blank"><u><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800080">[1]</span></span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Unicode MS'"><u><a href="http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/guru-nanak/index.htm" target="_blank"><u>http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/guru-nanak/index.htm</u></a></u></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="venod, post: 54615, member: 4851"] [b]Re: Sikhism : An old wine in -New Bottle[/b] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I acknowledge with thanks and humility the posts, of S.Vikram ji, Harjap ji, S. Pritpal ji, Vahe Guruseeker ji , S. Amar pal ji and Japji Sahib004 ji with thanks as these all illuminating in their own way. I am in my own way putting forth the practices of Hinduism for your benefit. I shall also enclose here with a fact sheet from the site or provide a link address of some site that would present you with an objective knowledge of Hinduism and faith and belief.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The main differences in the two religions, as has been stated, appears to be [COLOR=blue]Varn- ashram[/COLOR] and the [COLOR=blue]form of God[/COLOR] that is stated to be [COLOR=blue]form-less[/COLOR]. These are also called as [COLOR=blue]Incarnations[/COLOR] . [COLOR=#333300]We can discuss the concepts of the Kirat karna, meditation and ‘Vand ke Chakna’. It is my duty to get you acquainted with the conceptual framework . I have understood that you want to convey. These are the teachings for a sikh. But I do not know to what extent these are practiced , anyway , you may go thru. the following.[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Varan Ashram[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=blue]Varan Ashrams [/COLOR], would mean that 'Manu' had divided the society in four kinds of people like 1.Brahmin/pandit, 2.Kshatriya 3. Vaishya and 4. Shudras/ Low- caste. There were reasons when this demarcation was done for the smooth sail of society. The system had worked very well over the centuries but over a long passage of time it was institutionalized as a caste system and did harm the [I]Shudras[/I] who over a period of time were known to be untouchables. These people have been recognized and Indian Government has passed special and specific legislations from time to time for the improvement of the lot by enacting laws for scheduled caste and schedules tribes and other backward classes. Efforts and being taken .It will take some time that the equilibrium would be restored and there would be equi-distribution of the income. In any case it is more of a socio-economic problem and is addressed by those concerned. Nothing in the religion should be anachronistic else it will not find the subscriber to the theory. It is concluded that there were system whereby society was classified into groups the purpose of which was to permit the smooth running of the society. It was a social arrangement that the society was divided. It was based on division of labor and the economic theory of ‘relative disadvantages’. However, there ae no classifications. Globalisation has taken roots in this country as well. Religion for Hindus, have taken a back seat for quite sometime. I do repeat that we do not visit temple just for the sake of visiting .This used to be the case about 2/3 decades earlier. The method of worship is simplified. About 80 /90 percent of the Hindus do not worship Dieties except on occasion like Deepawali or Janashtami. Diety worship is limited to temples only. Only those who have the time do visit. It is not mandatory for a Hindu to visit a temple. I do not remember when I have visited temple last with my familty. I have no diety installed in my house. Yes, we keep Dhoop/ Agarbatti for the evening as it has a positive affect when we offer our prayers in our fashion. Some time we chant in the evening:[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]‘[I]Om Jai Jagdish Hare…Swami Jai Jagdish Hare……”[/I] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][ It can be a sort of ‘shabad keertan of sikhs][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Things are changing fast. The opening up of economy has offered new challenges and opportunities as well. One need not go to USA. A professor in MBA institute of engineering Institute can now make about a million Rs per annum.[/SIZE][/FONT] [B][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Naam[/FONT][/SIZE][/B] [FONT=Times New Roman]For most of us Om is a 'naam'[/FONT] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Multiplicity Of Gods [/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Regarding form of the Gods, it is to be appreciated that it is within the over all Monoeteism that there is one universal supreme soul that the polyetheism format of the Godhead theology took place. There are many demi-God or Demi-Goddesses . People started worshipping the type of the attribute or the particular attribute that was so essential for them that they named that attribute. In some cases where women had to fight men against injustice, one started praying the Kali or Ma Vaishno Devi and so the demi god and goddesses took birth. The diety concept is also based on this account that one has to differentiate one’s G from another G and hence one thought of sculpturing the God. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Another important dimension to the Diety is that it was easy for one to conceptualise the presence of the Divine as one could see. There is no other purpose. There are some ritualistic worships on the occasion of birth/naming ceremony/entering a new house/ Marriage and allied. I hope you must be having some of these as per your faith.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]It was convenient and that is how the society grew over a passage of time. It is how a faith travels over a time that certain aberrations start appearing and become as protuberances. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]There are certain distortions that keep on creeping in any institutions till they raise their black head with such a potency that it takes the form of an evil that, if uncontrolled, goes out of control. It was this evil that Guru Nanak observed and did not include in the religion. But then all the religions have their plus and minus points.[/SIZE][/FONT] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]One universal Soul / God[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Hindus do believe that there is one universal soul [[I]Parmatman[/I]] and the rest of the souls [I][Atman][/I] are also as eternal as the universal soul as Sikhs do believe. The three attributes of God, creator/ sustainer and destructor are represented by Three gods called [I]Braham, [/I]Vishnu and Shiva. Gurbani do sustain/states this. We call that one Great as [I]Brahman [/I]or some do prefer it as [I]Brahma. [/I][I]The concept Of one universal soul is as old as the religion. However, the society tends to see only that part of the entity that is suitable and conveniently avoid the other. The trinity God concept is a representative of the three most important attributes and hence instead of saying /naming them these have been stated separately. You may consider as it suits you. For us it is not significant. It may be significant for a temple where only Shiv Devotees visit.[/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Purpose of life: To Meet HIM[/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Yes, it is true that Hinduism is the most tolerant religion and this has led to the Islamilisation as most of the Hindus are basically not used to aggressions. During the Mogul period there were many conversions and the killings of the Hindus. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The purpose of Life of Hindu is To raise oneself spiritually raised to a level that one becomes pure and finally be to the level that one can Call Ahm Brahm. [ I am like Him i.e. after purification of the soul to the level required that it is likely to merge with the Supreme soul.] One can quote from Geeta that is a source book for Hindus.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]We have adopted many of [I]Kabeer’s Dohay [/I][I]to explain things. The one commonly used :[/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][I]Guru Gobind dooway Kharay..[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][I][FONT=Times New Roman] Kake Lago Payee …[/FONT][/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#0000ff][I]Balihari Guru Aapno jin Gobind diyo Milay.’[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]We do have Satsangs. Holy congregations .Some meet daily while other meet on once a week basis. There is again no rigidity.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [B][I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Incarnations[/FONT][/SIZE][/I][/B] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Many do believe that Some Gods are incarnations of the Lord, the Almighty. Let it be. I am giving you the line taken from sikh-site that Nanak Sahib was a prophet/Incarnation and even a God.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [SIZE=3][COLOR=windowtext][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=windowtext][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Times New Roman']Quote[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Times New Roman']“Sri Guru Nanak Sahib was the [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT='Times New Roman']incarnation of the Lord Almighty,[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext][/COLOR][COLOR=#ff6600][FONT='Times New Roman']a prophet[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Times New Roman'], a Jagat Guru from His very birth. He did not, therefore, need the guidance, aid or help of a wordly Guru. He was a born Param Guru, Jagat Guru, Guru Eternal, Supreme Guru. He was a Maker and Producer of Gurus-Divine. He was the Aad and Jugad Guru. As there is no count before one and before God, so is Sri Guru Nanak Sahib, the Supreme Jagat Guru. From this Guru Supreme has again emerged The Guru Eternal in the form of Sri Guru Granth Sahib radiating the Eternal Glory of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji[URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=15321#_ftn1"][U][COLOR=#800080][1][/COLOR][/U][/URL].” [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=windowtext][FONT='Times New Roman']Unquote[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I do not want to argue on this aspect as to who He was and that He was is enough, whether he was Incarnate or a prophet is meaningless for the discussion till it is agreed to that HE was not himself The Almighty. [/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]You may kindly state as to what are the major points of difference of Sikhism from Hinduism except the minor points that are so peculiar to some points. The 5ks need not be stated as a point of difference as we all know that these are there for the purpose of making you appear different.Bana].It wouldbe appreciated that we discuss the pointsat macro level. [/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]In my opinion ,Sirs, nothing and no one is bad and all religions especially the religions of east shouldhave the common Goal. Sikhism is the closest to Hinduism as you must have seen above. You are ,ofcourse, to correct me.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]With Regards to all.[/FONT][/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/I] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=15321#_ftnref1"][U][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800080][1][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/U][/URL][SIZE=3][FONT=Arial Unicode MS][U][URL="http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/guru-nanak/index.htm"][U]http://www.srigurugranthsahib.org/guru-nanak/index.htm[/U][/URL][/U][/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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