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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 1379" data-attributes="member: 138"><p><strong>Is IK ONG KAAR revealed or percieved?</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #006600"><strong>rev</strong>|<strong>e</strong>|<strong>la</strong>|<strong>tion</strong></span></span> «<span style="font-size: 10px">REHV uh LAY shuhn», <em>noun.</em> </span></p><p>God’s disclosure of Himself and of His will to His creatures.</p><p></p><p>MOOLMANTAR, the bedrock of SIKHI, that we recite several times a day,through which we come to know the real meaning of IK ONG KAAR, where GURU NANAK states that ONE TRUE GOD is formless, genderless, timeless, self created.......</p><p></p><p>In other words IK ONG KAAR is NOT a being as many other religions propogate Him to be. According to my understanding, and I may be wrong as often as I am, that revelation takes place between two or more beings. The one who reveals has to be a deity in flesh which contradicts the very definition of IK ONG KAAR, based on MOOL MANTAR.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #006600"><strong>per</strong>|<strong>cep</strong>|<strong>tion</strong></span></span> «puhr SEHP shuhn», <em>noun.</em></p><p><span style="color: #404040"><strong>1</strong></span> the act of perceiving: <span style="color: #404040"><em>His perception of the change came in a flash.</em></span> <span style="font-size: 10px">SYNONYM(S): insight, apprehension, discernment, comprehension. </span></p><p><span style="color: #404040"><strong>2</strong></span> the power of perceiving: <span style="color: #404040"><em>a keen perception.</em> <em>Defect in manners is usually the defect of fine perceptions</em> (Emerson).</span></p><p><span style="color: #404040"><strong>3</strong></span> understanding that is the result of perceiving; percept: <span style="color: #404040"><em>He had a clear perception of what was wrong, and soon fixed it.</em></span></p><p><span style="color: #404040"><strong>4</strong></span> <em>Psychology.</em> the study of the complex process by which patterns of environmental energies become known as objects, events, people, and other aspects of the world.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Taking MOOL MANTAR in context, one can also draw a conclusion that Sikhi is not a revealed religion but a PERCIEVED one. Of course our Gurus did not take any credit about this perception. They were mere instruments, a medium to show us what IK ONG KAAR really IS.</p><p></p><p>In fact our Gurus made themselves so insignificant that they used numbers rather than names. ( this also responds to my query of what names did our Gurus give themselves in the following thread ) <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/hello-sangat-ji.277/" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/hello-sangat-ji.277/</a></p><p></p><p>It is also worth noticing that in SGGS our Gurus never called themselves Gurus or by any other titles, but in the same context, they did not take away titles of the others whose GURBANI is in SGGS, eg Sheikh Farid, Bhagat Kabir etc etc.</p><p></p><p>If GURBANI were revealed to them then they would take all the credit as Jesus, Mohammed and most of the other sages did that IK ONG KAAR only talked to them. In other words they were the chosen few where Gurbani says SABH GOBIND HEIN, GOBIND BIN NAHIN KOI.</p><p></p><p>Hence, the sages become the DOOR GUARDS of the DASAM DUAR because they project that they hold the exclusive licence of the revelation, which can not be true according to GURBANI.</p><p></p><p>Guru Amar Das ji further explains to us in Anand Sahib that each of one is given the DASAM DUAR through which we can recieve THE LIGHT in our dark dwellings.</p><p></p><p>If GOD were revealed then the need of the 10th PORTAL would not be neccessary.</p><p></p><p>This is a great interaction to have.</p><p></p><p>I would like to have others' viewpoint about the above.</p><p></p><p>Peace & Love</p><p></p><p>Tejwant</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 1379, member: 138"] [B]Is IK ONG KAAR revealed or percieved?[/B] [SIZE=1][COLOR=#006600][B]rev[/B]|[B]e[/B]|[B]la[/B]|[B]tion[/B][/COLOR][/size] «[SIZE=2]REHV uh LAY shuhn», [I]noun.[/I] [/SIZE] God’s disclosure of Himself and of His will to His creatures. MOOLMANTAR, the bedrock of SIKHI, that we recite several times a day,through which we come to know the real meaning of IK ONG KAAR, where GURU NANAK states that ONE TRUE GOD is formless, genderless, timeless, self created....... In other words IK ONG KAAR is NOT a being as many other religions propogate Him to be. According to my understanding, and I may be wrong as often as I am, that revelation takes place between two or more beings. The one who reveals has to be a deity in flesh which contradicts the very definition of IK ONG KAAR, based on MOOL MANTAR. [SIZE=1][COLOR=#006600][B]per[/B]|[B]cep[/B]|[B]tion[/B][/COLOR][/size] «puhr SEHP shuhn», [I]noun.[/I] [COLOR=#404040][B]1[/B][/COLOR] the act of perceiving: [COLOR=#404040][I]His perception of the change came in a flash.[/I][/COLOR] [SIZE=2]SYNONYM(S): insight, apprehension, discernment, comprehension. [/SIZE] [COLOR=#404040][B]2[/B][/COLOR] the power of perceiving: [COLOR=#404040][I]a keen perception.[/I] [I]Defect in manners is usually the defect of fine perceptions[/I] (Emerson). [B]3[/B][/COLOR] understanding that is the result of perceiving; percept: [COLOR=#404040][I]He had a clear perception of what was wrong, and soon fixed it.[/I] [B]4[/B][/COLOR] [I]Psychology.[/I] the study of the complex process by which patterns of environmental energies become known as objects, events, people, and other aspects of the world. Taking MOOL MANTAR in context, one can also draw a conclusion that Sikhi is not a revealed religion but a PERCIEVED one. Of course our Gurus did not take any credit about this perception. They were mere instruments, a medium to show us what IK ONG KAAR really IS. In fact our Gurus made themselves so insignificant that they used numbers rather than names. ( this also responds to my query of what names did our Gurus give themselves in the following thread ) [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/threads/hello-sangat-ji.277/[/URL] It is also worth noticing that in SGGS our Gurus never called themselves Gurus or by any other titles, but in the same context, they did not take away titles of the others whose GURBANI is in SGGS, eg Sheikh Farid, Bhagat Kabir etc etc. If GURBANI were revealed to them then they would take all the credit as Jesus, Mohammed and most of the other sages did that IK ONG KAAR only talked to them. In other words they were the chosen few where Gurbani says SABH GOBIND HEIN, GOBIND BIN NAHIN KOI. Hence, the sages become the DOOR GUARDS of the DASAM DUAR because they project that they hold the exclusive licence of the revelation, which can not be true according to GURBANI. Guru Amar Das ji further explains to us in Anand Sahib that each of one is given the DASAM DUAR through which we can recieve THE LIGHT in our dark dwellings. If GOD were revealed then the need of the 10th PORTAL would not be neccessary. This is a great interaction to have. I would like to have others' viewpoint about the above. Peace & Love Tejwant [/QUOTE]
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